Help, I do not understand Ritual Summoning

[Christine Wurmblut]

So I tried Vendreads for that RE look, but the summoning part of them is so wonky.
I`ll give an example:

So I have 2 Revendread Executor in my Graveyard.
On my board is a Level 7 Monster and a Houndhorde, both face up.
Now I want to use Revendread Origin to summon one Executor from the Graveyard using the other Executor and the Houndhorde as material.
But it wont let me choose them. I can only choose either the Level 7 and the dogs or only the other Executor.

Can anyone explain me why I can not use some card as Ritual Tribute sometimes? This is not the only case this has happended, I am just really confused atm.

[AllG]

Once you meet the minimum level requirement for a Ritual Summon, you can't continue to tribute extra monsters for that ritual. In this situation, using the Level 8 for the tribute fills the entire level requirement and you're not allowed to add the Houndhorde on top of it.

[Christine Wurmblut]

Thing is I was always selecting the Houndhorde first to have a 3 + 8 which I thought would be ok since Origin says that the combined Level can also be higher.

So the basic rule would be that if I try to use a Monster as a tribute that has a level equal or higher than the monster I try to summon I can only use it and nothing else?

[Orochi Samurai]

Originally posted by Christine Wurmblut:

Thing is I was always selecting the Houndhorde first to have a 3 + 8 which I thought would be ok since Origin says that the combined Level can also be higher.

So the basic rule would be that if I try to use a Monster as a tribute that has a level equal or higher than the monster I try to summon I can only use it and nothing else?

Depends on which ritual spell you use. Evolution CANNOT exceed the ritual level, Origin CAN.

[Christine Wurmblut]

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Originally posted by Christine Wurmblut:

Thing is I was always selecting the Houndhorde first to have a 3 + 8 which I thought would be ok since Origin says that the combined Level can also be higher.

So the basic rule would be that if I try to use a Monster as a tribute that has a level equal or higher than the monster I try to summon I can only use it and nothing else?

Depends on which ritual spell you use. Evolution CANNOT exceed the ritual level, Origin CAN.

So you are saying that with Origin it should be posibble to have a 3+8 = 8 situation? Cause it does not work for me, thats the whole issue.

[Orochi Samurai]

Originally posted by Christine Wurmblut:

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Depends on which ritual spell you use. Evolution CANNOT exceed the ritual level, Origin CAN.

So you are saying that with Origin it should be posibble to have a 3+8 = 8 situation? Cause it does not work for me, thats the whole issue.

Yes, Origin should allow you to use monsters with levels that exceed the level of the monster you want to use UNLESS you fulfill the requirement with 1 monster of the same level, if you select a level 4 THEN 8 for the summon of a level 8 monster that should be fine, however, if you first select the level 8 then the requirement is fulfilled and you won't be able to select any further monsters after that.

EDIT: Origin card text for reference.

This card can be used to Ritual Summon any "Vendread" Ritual Monster from your hand or GY.

You must also Tribute monsters from your hand or field, and/or banish Zombie monsters from your GY, whose total Levels equal or exceed the Level of the Ritual Monster you Ritual Summon.

If "Revendread Slayer(s)" you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead.

EDIT 2: Also, if you could get us a replay of this happening would be a better solution for us to help you.

[Christine Wurmblut]

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Originally posted by Christine Wurmblut:

So you are saying that with Origin it should be posibble to have a 3+8 = 8 situation? Cause it does not work for me, thats the whole issue.

Yes, Origin should allow you to use monsters with levels that exceed the level of the monster you want to use UNLESS you fulfill the requirement with 1 monster of the same level, if you select a level 4 THEN 8 for the summon of a level 8 monster that should be fine, however, if you first select the level 8 then the requirement is fulfilled and you won't be able to select any further monsters after that.

EDIT: Origin card text for reference.

This card can be used to Ritual Summon any "Vendread" Ritual Monster from your hand or GY.

You must also Tribute monsters from your hand or field, and/or banish Zombie monsters from your GY, whose total Levels equal or exceed the Level of the Ritual Monster you Ritual Summon.

If "Revendread Slayer(s)" you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead.

Yep and thats the source of my confusion. Exactly that does not work for me.
Again for example:

2 Level 8 Executioners in GY, one Level 3 and Level 7 on field. I can not target the Level 3 and 8 only 3 and 7 or only 8 to summon the other 8.

What am I doing wrong?

[Shark]

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Originally posted by Christine Wurmblut:

So you are saying that with Origin it should be posibble to have a 3+8 = 8 situation? Cause it does not work for me, thats the whole issue.

Yes, Origin should allow you to use monsters with levels that exceed the level of the monster you want to use UNLESS you fulfill the requirement with 1 monster of the same level, if you select a level 4 THEN 8 for the summon of a level 8 monster that should be fine, however, if you first select the level 8 then the requirement is fulfilled and you won't be able to select any further monsters after that.

EDIT: Origin card text for reference.

This card can be used to Ritual Summon any "Vendread" Ritual Monster from your hand or GY.

You must also Tribute monsters from your hand or field, and/or banish Zombie monsters from your GY, whose total Levels equal or exceed the Level of the Ritual Monster you Ritual Summon.

If "Revendread Slayer(s)" you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead.

EDIT 2: Also, if you could get us a replay of this happening would be a better solution for us to help you.

Ah actually im pretty sure if one of the monsters used is already enough to fulfill the requirement by itself you cant use any other monsters. So 3+7 is fine 3+8 doesnt work since the 8 is already enough by itself. Exceeding is only allowed so you have a little more leeway and dont need to use monsters that perfectly match the lvl not to add more monsters than required.

[Orochi Samurai]

Grab us a replay of when you are stuck in this situation and well let you know 👍

[Orochi Samurai]

Originally posted by Ban:

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Yes, Origin should allow you to use monsters with levels that exceed the level of the monster you want to use UNLESS you fulfill the requirement with 1 monster of the same level, if you select a level 4 THEN 8 for the summon of a level 8 monster that should be fine, however, if you first select the level 8 then the requirement is fulfilled and you won't be able to select any further monsters after that.

EDIT: Origin card text for reference.

This card can be used to Ritual Summon any "Vendread" Ritual Monster from your hand or GY.

You must also Tribute monsters from your hand or field, and/or banish Zombie monsters from your GY, whose total Levels equal or exceed the Level of the Ritual Monster you Ritual Summon.

If "Revendread Slayer(s)" you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead.

EDIT 2: Also, if you could get us a replay of this happening would be a better solution for us to help you.

Ah actually im pretty sure if one of the monsters used is already enough to fulfill the requirement by itself you cant use any other monsters. So 3+7 is fine 3+8 doesnt work since the 8 is already enough by itself. Exceeding is only allowed so you have a little more leeway and dont need to use monsters that perfectly match the lvl not to add more monsters than required.

Oh well if that's the case then that's the cause of the problem here.

[Christine Wurmblut]

Ok thank you all then. I`ll stick with my made up rule then:

Originally posted by Christine Wurmblut:

So the basic rule would be that if I try to use a Monster as a tribute that has a level equal or higher than the monster I try to summon I can only use it and nothing else?

[Soda]

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Grab us a replay of when you are stuck in this situation and well let you know 👍

A replay will not solve this issue.

[Orochi Samurai]

Originally posted by メイドの召喚獣ーレイ:

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Grab us a replay of when you are stuck in this situation and well let you know 👍

A replay will not solve this issue.

I was just thinking if the OP gave us the turn count for when they wanted to activate their Ritual spell, we would be able to look at the cards on the field and in hand and figure out what's what.

[MancakeBR]

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Originally posted by メイドの召喚獣ーレイ:

A replay will not solve this issue.

I was just thinking if the OP gave us the turn count for when they wanted to activate their Ritual spell, we would be able to look at the cards on the field and in hand and figure out what's what.

Turn count has nothing to do with it. The issue is they tried to exceed the level while filling the requirements already.

[Orochi Samurai]

Originally posted by WM1Pyro:

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

I was just thinking if the OP gave us the turn count for when they wanted to activate their Ritual spell, we would be able to look at the cards on the field and in hand and figure out what's what.

Turn count has nothing to do with it. The issue is they tried to exceed the level while filling the requirements already.

I'm aware of that and if you had bothered to check, I posted that suggestion BEFORE the issue had been realised and resolved.

My response to Chan was to say that that was my idea at the time.

[MancakeBR]

Originally posted by Orochi Samurai:

Originally posted by WM1Pyro:

Turn count has nothing to do with it. The issue is they tried to exceed the level while filling the requirements already.

I'm aware of that and if you had bothered to check, I posted that suggestion BEFORE the issue had been realised and resolved.

My response to Chan was to say that that was my idea at the time.

I already read the thread, I just simply stated that turn count had nothing to do with it and stated why it wouldn't.