Chaos Hunter

[Charles M.]

I have a question about this monster.

Does this card can be special summoned on my turn, when the opponent summon a monster using a trap card?

Im asking this because I had 1 Gravekeeper Spy, 1 Gravekeeper Spiritualist and Necrovalley on my field. And on my hand I had a Chaos hunter and a trap card.

The opponent had Dark Magical Circle actived, two cards faced down (spell field), and 1 Magician's Rod in atack position.


So I special summoned Gravekeeper Supernaturalist, then he activated his Magician Navigation to summon Dark Magician and Magician of Dark Illusion, and banished my monster.


Since he made two special summons, why the heck didnt appear the option to special summon Chaos Hunter, since I had a card on my hand to discard?

[⛤ .katia ˚⊹]

The effect of "Chaos Hunter" activates "when" your opponent Special Summons a monster, so you won't be able to activate the effect if your opponent's Special Summon of a monster isn't the last thing to have happened before the start of the next Chain. This can occur in any of these three scenarios:

1. As Chain Link 2 or higher.
2. Before the words "then" or "after that" in the text of an effect.
3. As a cost. (You'll probably never run into this scenario with "Chaos Hunter" specifically, but it will come up with other effects that say "when," so I'm including it for completeness.)

[Charles M.]

Oh, I see, makes sense after all. So basically the opponent made two special summons. And Chaos Hunter can only be special summoned when the opponent summons only 1 monster per turn.

Thanks

[DUBINA]

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Oh, I see, makes sense after all. So basically the opponent made two special summons. And Chaos Hunter can only be special summoned when the opponent summons only 1 monster per turn.

Thanks

Even though opp summoned 2 monsters that's still considered as 1 special summon by 1 effect of the trap.
My guess that as soon as you tried to summon using spiritualist your opp chained navigation and summoned dark magicians then you finished summoning, chained resolved and you couldn't summon Hunter because you missed the timing since magicians we're summoned 1st and you couldn't respond before you finish your summon. So it's basically you can't do 2 things at the same time so by the time you want to attempt summoning hunter, you can't cause you missed the chance to do so.

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Oh, I see, makes sense after all. So basically the opponent made two special summons. And Chaos Hunter can only be special summoned when the opponent summons only 1 monster per turn.

Thanks

Even though opp summoned 2 monsters that's still considered as 1 special summon by 1 effect of the trap.
My guess that as soon as you tried to summon using spiritualist your opp chained navigation and summoned dark magicians then you finished summoning, chained resolved and you couldn't summon Hunter because you missed the timing since magicians we're summoned 1st and you couldn't respond before you finish your summon. So it's basically you can't do 2 things at the same time so by the time you want to attempt summoning hunter, you can't cause you missed the chance to do so.

Magician's Navigation is 2 summons, denoted by the "then" conjunctive.

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Oh, I see, makes sense after all. So basically the opponent made two special summons. And Chaos Hunter can only be special summoned when the opponent summons only 1 monster per turn.

Thanks

That is incorrect. Chaos Hunter does not require or specify exactly 1 monster or it would say so on the card activation requirement (anything before the :).

The reason you cannot use Chaos Hunter is due to the "When" part of the card text, since the monsters in question are being summoned due to a card effect - an effect that starts a chain - the appropriate timing for Chaos Hunter is not applicable since the last thing to happen is the resolution of the summoning card's effect. The summons happen BEFORE the chain (CL1) resolves. The only Special Summons that Chaos Hunter can hit are cards that Special Summon without starting a chain. Examples in Duel Links are: Synchro monsters, Contact Fusions, Cyber Dragon, etc.. Examples in the TCG also include: Xyz monsters, Link monsters, etc..

Using these rules, we can also deduce that Chaos Hunter cannot summon itself off of your opponent summoning Chaos Hunter because Chaos Hunter starts a chain (it activates).

tl;dr - It doesn't matter when Magician Navigation activates, you cannot respond to the special summon with a "when" effect due to timing.

[DUBINA]

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tl;dr - It doesn't matter when Magician Navigation activates, you cannot respond to the special summon with a "when" effect due to timing.

How exactly did you get to this?

[Orochi Samurai]

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tl;dr - It doesn't matter when Magician Navigation activates, you cannot respond to the special summon with a "when" effect due to timing.

How exactly did you get to this?

Get to what?

[Charles M.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae4OqQjJpXg

(0:30)

In this duel, I managed to summon Chaos Hunter after the opponent summoned two Dark Magicians using Magician Navigation.

And the option to summon Chaos Hunter appeared after Dark Magical Circle effect to banish my Necrovalley. Kinda weird.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae4OqQjJpXg

(0:30)

In this duel, I managed to summon Chaos Hunter after the opponent summoned two Dark Magicians using Magician Navigation.

And the option to summon Chaos Hunter appeared after Dark Magical Circle effect to banish my Necrovalley. Kinda weird.

Interesting. You shouldn't be able to as it uses the same wording as Solemn Warning.

[Obsidian Dragoon]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae4OqQjJpXg

(0:30)

In this duel, I managed to summon Chaos Hunter after the opponent summoned two Dark Magicians using Magician Navigation.

And the option to summon Chaos Hunter appeared after Dark Magical Circle effect to banish my Necrovalley. Kinda weird.

Interesting. You shouldn't be able to as it uses the same wording as Solemn Warning.

No, that summon was perfectly fine. In this case, Circle and Hunter are going off the same trigger, which is the special summon of "Dark Magician". Both are optional effects but the turn player's effect goes first in terms of which chain link during activation.

Also, Solemn Warning would need to be used on the card that summoned Dark Magician. Since part of the resolution of the effect is to special summon monsters, Solemn Warning can't be activated. The only alternative for this is under a built in special summon such as Cyber Dragon or a regular normal summon.

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Interesting. You shouldn't be able to as it uses the same wording as Solemn Warning.

No, that summon was perfectly fine. In this case, Circle and Hunter are going off the same trigger, which is the special summon of "Dark Magician". Both are optional effects but the turn player's effect goes first in terms of which chain link during activation.

Also, Solemn Warning would need to be used on the card that summoned Dark Magician. Since part of the resolution of the effect is to special summon monsters, Solemn Warning can't be activated. The only alternative for this is under a built in special summon such as Cyber Dragon or a regular normal summon.

Yes, I'm aware how the card works.

[DUBINA]

You're confusing something here, chaos hunter works after the summon and solemn warning works in chain to the summon. Big difference between the two.

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You're confusing something here, chaos hunter works after the summon and solemn warning works in chain to the summon. Big difference between the two.

No, you're right. I misread the card.