Between a Monarch and a Hard place [Deck] Suggestions and tips needed please.

[Mewtwo_soul]

As the title suggests I'm working on making a functional Monarch deck on ranked/competitive play: It is currently a work in progress, especially because I'm missing a few copies of certain cards I need that would make this easier to run.

--------Between a Monarch and a Hard Place-------------------------

Deck Leader Ability: Beat Down:


Tributes: 5:
1X Thestalos The Firestorm Monarch
3X Granmarg The Rock Monarch
1X The Tricky

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Non Tributes: 4:
1X Treeborn Frog
3X : Berlineth The Firestorm Vassal

Spells: 8:

1X Soul Exchange
1X Hey Trunade
1X Super Rush Headlong
1X Enemy Controller
1X Murmur Of The Forest
3X Frost Blast Of The Monarchs

Traps: 3:

1X Floodgate Trap Hole
1X: Michizure
1X: Chain Whirlwind

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Total: 20:

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Now to explain in regards to the meta:

Monster Choices: One copy of Thestalos was chosen primarily to hit the life point goal or just removing potential threats in the oppositions hand. Granmarg is the star though I'm missing some cards to make this deck more optimal.

I chose one Treeborn to synergize with Berlineth. Berlineth was chosen over two copies of The Tricky for the soul purpose of preventing Sphere Kuriboh from coming out or just to scout hands to know what kind of deck I'm facing also allows me to slap Kidmodo shenanigans.

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In regards to spells:

Murmur of the Forest allows me to stop Sea Stealth Attack/Zombie World from locking the deck down, allows me to flip strong beaters and remove them as well as well as just get rid of Amazoness Queen temporarily. I've thought of removing one Frost Blast for a second Murmur. Frost Blast is to kill backrow and set up after flipping choice cards. At least two are needed so I can set off their ability in the graveyard which is why I'd be fine with removing one potentially.

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In regards to Traps:

I would rather run 2-3 Floodgates (or 2 Floodgates, 1 Chain Whirlwind) but I do not have more than one Floodgate. Currently Michizure is to set up on Amazon's after removing a monster with either Granmarg or Frost Blast. Chain whirlwind is more backrow murder to chain with Frost Blast and other such cards. Floodgates stop Silent monsters, Horus, and more as well. Allowing me quick bypass.

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Cards I've thought of changing or removing or swapping or adding:

Cards I've thought of removing/swapping out/changing:
-Hey Trunade
-1X Frost Blast
-Michizure
-Thestalos

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Cards I've thought of Adding (That I have and why):
-Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell (my one copy):
Two severe weaknesses my deck have is of course: Enemy Controller shenanigans, and nothing that can really stop or slow Spellbooks from setting up on me. So this allows me to stop both common threats, and would allow me to stop Silent Slash OTK by stopping the Secret Pass card, giving me a turn to get rid of Swordsman. (Michizure/etc.) Also stops the few fusion decks running from being able too. (REBS/Heroes/) or can lock down Mask Change. (or stop Hey Trunade turn one) Aliens spells and more.

-A Second Soul Exchange: (My only other copy): I passed on this idea merely because of Silent swordmsan making it dead draw, and Monarchs really need to go aggro quickly with current support or else they get swept up. Even with Control being more favorable they still slow in some regards. Momentum loss is deadly in this deck.

-Ultimate Providence: Obviously used a lot, but allows me to slide a Frost Blast into the graveyard, stops 1tKO Silent Slash (by stopping Secret Pass), can slow momentum on Spellbooks, Sylvan dead stop.

-Mirror Wall/WoD: This stops monsters like White Night Dragon from hovering over, Silent Magician, and even makes Amazoness have to pause since I can remove their backrow and go for broke on them.

-Magic Deflector: Allows me to not rely on Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell (thus not going -1) and shut down Spellbooks for a turn. Let alone other decks that pose some danger to it. Slows Noble knights.

-Different Dimension Ground: Good against Sylvans, threatens Felgrand, and stops graveyard shenanigans for a few decks.

-Chain Dispel: Great for stopping any paticular staples any deck might run in multiples: Pulse Mines, Spellbook sets, Econ,

-Forbidden Chalice: Nice way to stop countless effect monsters and an obvious staple against many of todays meta. Stops Amazoness Queen, and more. Though is useless against Silent, and White Night.

-A second copy of Thestalos: Again, destroys potential threats in the hand, and although two to me sounds like Overkill it would help drain LP.

Pineapple Blasts: Kills enemies who swarm momentum, allows me to flip/remove and gain slight momentum. Doesn't target and helps in tight situations.

Note: I do not have Angmarl the Fiendish Monarch.If I did it'd be a great alternative to Thestalos with a few changes to the deck of course.

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I ran with Beatdown since I'm not power boosting in this deck, it allows me to build over certain beaters, and pass certain damage thresholds. Especially since 2400 isn't as great as it sounds as an ATK cap for this deck on standard.

I'm also willing to go up to around 22 cards. Any help appreciated/tips, assuming they aren't idiotic tips and or suggestions.

[Mayks]

I think your should try to put earth armor ninja in your deck, has the same effect that a cyber dragon (it special summon when your opponent have monsters).

[Mewtwo_soul]

Mayks původně napsal:

I think your should try to put earth armor ninja in your deck, has the same effect that a cyber dragon (it special summon when your opponent have monsters).

Honestly, I considered it, to costs me less because it doesn't require discard. Same with Fiend Megacyber. The only reason I haven't is Tricky/Berlineth have a strong lead in case I go first in the match.

[Mayks]

Mewtwo_soul původně napsal:

Mayks původně napsal:

I think your should try to put earth armor ninja in your deck, has the same effect that a cyber dragon (it special summon when your opponent have monsters).

Honestly, I considered it, to costs me less because it doesn't require discard. Same with Fiend Megacyber. The only reason I haven't is Tricky/Berlineth have a strong lead in case I go first in the match.

Yeah, but they have a -1 cost so if you don't have the cost, they become dead cards (specially tricky) , try instead dynatherium (ur ticket) with earth armor ninja, or if you prefer the discard cost because you don't have these 2 cards, use some fableds, they can special summon if you discard them, so is not a waste of cost.

[Mewtwo_soul]

Mayks původně napsal:

Mewtwo_soul původně napsal:

Honestly, I considered it, to costs me less because it doesn't require discard. Same with Fiend Megacyber. The only reason I haven't is Tricky/Berlineth have a strong lead in case I go first in the match.

Yeah, but they have a -1 cost so if you don't have the cost, they become dead cards (specially tricky) , try instead dynatherium (ur ticket) with earth armor ninja, or if you prefer the discard cost because you don't have these 2 cards, use some fableds, they can special summon if you discard them, so is not a waste of cost.

Honestly, I'm just hoping Gilasaurus comes, I know Dynatherium is available and very similar I just haven't had as much this month or last month for getting my 100/120 wins in. (Real World problems haha) Fabled Gashima would be interesting the only issue is possibly keeping it alive since I'm not running Double summon/Monarch/etc. To tribute summon multiple times in one turn which is doable but risky since Monarch's don't currently have good draw power options. (Shard's too slow.) I also don't have multiple copies of Dark World Dealings/Void. If I did I'd run a faster/more aggro Monarch deck.

[Dion]

Some suggestions would be running Flute of Summoning Kuribohs and the Kuribohs, they can be served as Tribute Fodder for your Monarchs, and if you're against Silent Swordsman OTK, Kuriboh can stop the OTK. I'd replace Michizure for something else though. Have you considered Treacherous Trap Hole?

[Mewtwo_soul]

Dion původně napsal:

Some suggestions would be running Flute of Summoning Kuribohs and the Kuribohs, they can be served as Tribute Fodder for your Monarchs, and if you're against Silent Swordsman OTK, Kuriboh can stop the OTK. I'd replace Michizure for something else though. Have you considered Treacherous Trap Hole?

Yeah, I actually have considered Treacherous, at least until I get a second or third floodgate. It'd also be great set up with chain Whirlwind. Honestly, I didn't consider Kuriboh but Flute +Winged Kuriboh/Sphere and the others would be good for some set up plays. (Even in a bad draw situation could be used to at least negate damage and give me an out for a turn or just lock down since Frost Blast works on face up defense as I recall, so Sphere Kuriboh could be useful in that regard.

I'm also reworking it to add in Heat Wave, which I keep forgetting about which stops most every deck dead in it's tracks currently at least turn one. Great way to stop a plethora of 1TKO's and allow me to at least slow momentum.

[Zane]

I recommend waiting for more monarchs to release before building a monarch deck.

[Mewtwo_soul]

Epsilon původně napsal:

I recommend waiting for more monarchs to release before building a monarch deck.

Haha. Don't I know it. I was hoping for mainly just Zaborg, or Mobius but I can always change it late.r

[Zane]

Mewtwo_soul původně napsal:

Epsilon původně napsal:

I recommend waiting for more monarchs to release before building a monarch deck.

Haha. Don't I know it. I was hoping for mainly just Zaborg, or Mobius but I can always change it late.r

True. Monarchs are gonna be in their own tier once their full arsenal is available.

[Sparse Dunes]

I would also try out the "spirit" line of cards. While they aren't great on their own. They can only be special summoned by banishing a monster from the GY to easily go into a monarch or other single tribute.


So if your willing to spend more gems/cash: vassal + volcanic shell + fire spirit is a two special summon and a single self mill.

[Mewtwo_soul]

Sparse Dunes původně napsal:

I would also try out the "spirit" line of cards. While they aren't great on their own. They can only be special summoned by banishing a monster from the GY to easily go into a monarch or other single tribute.

So if your willing to spend more gems/cash: vassal + volcanic shell + fire spirit is a two special summon and a single self mill.

I have Fire Spirit, and have considered it considering I could swap out Frog for Spirit. Though, the only reason I haven't done so is it's not a Thestalos based deck. (I'm working on that as well, or a Fire/Monarch themed deck) Though in one I would certainly run at least one for a potential two monarchs (using double summon/etc.) Or for at least getting out other tributes.