Destiny Heroes is underrated

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Why does nobody ever use the Destiny Hero/Vision Hero cards? I get that it doesn't have that many of its best cards but with what we got there is so much potential. From what I have used its a good deck and very rarely have I came across drawing issues, can't play cards issues, or not getting the best stuff issues. The only times I have ever seen a Destiny Hero is for the cheap Masked Hero decks and when that structure deck came out

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And just like that, the true colors of the meta complainer come out

You have yet to even prove your argument, in fact all you have done is flaunt rank into the mix which like I said doesn't amount to a argument about cards

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Postat inițial de Fur Missile Inbound:

Its a card game rank means nothing when everybody can just spam metas like the common high ranks

Not for nothing, and I hate to put it like this especially I hold rank doesn't amount to much, but the best way to prove your case and make a point is to go rank up with D. Heroes. If they are truly viable, like REALLY and TRULY viable like you said, you can actually hit platinum in about 2 hours. probably less, but thats only if it really can compete with the meta.

As much as I'd like to agree with you in principle, the other two are correct, you can't really speak about the validitaty of something when you haven't got the experience of the upper levels. I stay in gold for easy wins, but the difference between gold and platinum is like night and day. silver is just incrediably more so. Gold, you still find wonky fun decks and odd strategies, by platinum though all that has disappeared, everyone has competitive decks and in legend they are fine tuned and people play flawlessly, you don't run into misplays like you will in platinum.

Again I only play ranked 3 times for the rewards, I don't have enough care to play ranked for 2 hours, but I do have enough care to play Society of Light for 3 hours just to get the game mat =P

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Postat inițial de Raven:

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Again I only play ranked 3 times for the rewards, I don't have enough care to play ranked for 2 hours, but I do have enough care to play Society of Light for 3 hours just to get the game mat =P

Then you have lost here friend, sorry. If you were passionate about your deck and wanted to really show it shines, that two hours is nothing. You don't lose anything by ranking up, and you would have a much stronger argument. The "I don't care to" is just a reason to explain away the other reason: you can't. Results speak louder than words, I appreciate your passion, but at this point you really can't say much other than "I like them, I think they can do well." and that's fine. but there is no authority or reason to take that claim seriously and you can't really get offended because even yourself doesn't take it seriously.

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Postat inițial de Fur Missile Inbound:

Again I only play ranked 3 times for the rewards, I don't have enough care to play ranked for 2 hours, but I do have enough care to play Society of Light for 3 hours just to get the game mat =P

Then you have lost here friend, sorry. If you were passionate about your deck and wanted to really show it shines, that two hours is nothing. You don't lose anything by ranking up, and you would have a much stronger argument. The "I don't care to" is just a reason to explain away the other reason: you can't. Results speak louder than words, I appreciate your passion, but at this point you really can't say much other than "I like them, I think they can do well." and that's fine. but there is no authority or reason to take that claim seriously and you can't really get offended because even yourself doesn't take it seriously.

No the I don't care to is just me not being interested in ranked. I have complete faith in my deck and from what I have done before I can just do the same as the next battle, but why would I want to bother in a game mode that I just don't care for? Also my argument hasn't been "I like them" at all if I was using that argument then I would just use that for roid. Again my point is they are underrated and nobody ever uses them except Masked Hero. I'm not the best deck maker but this is the only deck that I know has a lot of good in it and not many bads in it. I am just simply. Yes I don't lose anything when I rank up but i also don't gain anything, and from what I seen it seems ranked is nothing more than bragging rights in a card game

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Postat inițial de Raven:

Then you have lost here friend, sorry. If you were passionate about your deck and wanted to really show it shines, that two hours is nothing. You don't lose anything by ranking up, and you would have a much stronger argument. The "I don't care to" is just a reason to explain away the other reason: you can't. Results speak louder than words, I appreciate your passion, but at this point you really can't say much other than "I like them, I think they can do well." and that's fine. but there is no authority or reason to take that claim seriously and you can't really get offended because even yourself doesn't take it seriously.

No the I don't care to is just me not being interested in ranked. I have complete faith in my deck and from what I have done before I can just do the same as the next battle, but why would I want to bother in a game mode that I just don't care for? Also my argument hasn't been "I like them" at all if I was using that argument then I would just use that for roid. Again my point is they are underrated and nobody ever uses them except Masked Hero. I'm not the best deck maker but this is the only deck that I know has a lot of good in it and not many bads in it. I am just simply. Yes I don't lose anything when I rank up but i also don't gain anything, and from what I seen it seems ranked is nothing more than bragging rights in a card game

You gain gems (like lots of gems, you're in silver right? thats like 200 gems), credibility, and frankly roids are more competitive than d. heroes, roids are a proven deck at least as far as legends. Your intitial post is "why don't..." and its been explained why, if you have a counter argument, sure, but honestly your counter argument has no sustienance. You can not care, but then you shouldn't care when nobody else does either, the deck isn't proven and nobody is willing to put in the time or effort to do so. you can throw out perfect scenarios, and you might win a few times like that, but how often does that happen? how fast is your "they are fast" to the meta when you don't even know how the meta plays? there is a massive difference between six sams in gold rank vs. six sams in legend. There are rewards for ranking up and so that argument goes out the window, and I honestly am disliking how at this point you are just being stubborn. Its not hard to make a legit case, but even you are saying you can't be bothered, so this whole topic is just nonsense.

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No the I don't care to is just me not being interested in ranked. I have complete faith in my deck and from what I have done before I can just do the same as the next battle, but why would I want to bother in a game mode that I just don't care for? Also my argument hasn't been "I like them" at all if I was using that argument then I would just use that for roid. Again my point is they are underrated and nobody ever uses them except Masked Hero. I'm not the best deck maker but this is the only deck that I know has a lot of good in it and not many bads in it. I am just simply. Yes I don't lose anything when I rank up but i also don't gain anything, and from what I seen it seems ranked is nothing more than bragging rights in a card game

You gain gems (like lots of gems, you're in silver right? thats like 200 gems), credibility, and frankly roids are more competitive than d. heroes, roids are a proven deck at least as far as legends. Your intitial post is "why don't..." and its been explained why, if you have a counter argument, sure, but honestly your counter argument has no sustienance. You can not care, but then you shouldn't care when nobody else does either, the deck isn't proven and nobody is willing to put in the time or effort to do so. you can throw out perfect scenarios, and you might win a few times like that, but how often does that happen? how fast is your "they are fast" to the meta when you don't even know how the meta plays? there is a massive difference between six sams in gold rank vs. six sams in legend. There are rewards for ranking up and so that argument goes out the window, and I honestly am disliking how at this point you are just being stubborn. Its not hard to make a legit case, but even you are saying you can't be bothered, so this whole topic is just nonsense.

The quick victories are 70 to 80% , because my deck was purposefully constructed to ruin enemy chances on turn 2 or 4, on turn 1 i can play an easy stall timer til I get the big boys or get enough power going for a victory. The only flaw my deck ever faces is trap cards like Treacherous Trap Hole or Bottomless Trap Hole or that Paleozoic card. And yes I have seen what roids can do but I need more roids to even think about doing a roid deck for ranked.

Here is how my Destiny Hero deck works: If I get turn 1 I play stall, so either using a D Cubed or a double summon with Drilldark. If D Cubed is destroyed I pop in Dreamer to graveyard and wait for Dangerous. My heaviest reliance's in turn 1 are Celestial and trap cards and my skill Dark City. Rarely will I ever need to use my high powers like Dogma or Plasma
Turn 2 however is where things can get quick and over. I pop D Cubed for Dogma or Plasma and start wreaking havoc and most often one of cards has been Celestial which is easy for me to get back cards. Another huge force is Vylon, I use its ability get Polymerization then get Trinity and down goes whatever monster they had. After that they then just play set monsters which makes it easy for my other monsters to get direct hits. I could also get 2 trap cards and a Witch Raider then destroy the enemies set up and there monster then they surrender, I am not even joking on that I have won that way a few times. The only thing that sets back my deck is trap cards that either set my monster or just destroy it. In fact that is honestly how I even lose to Six Samurai, because the player uses Treacherous Trap Hole the minute I get a good summon and I have to end my turn

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Postat inițial de Fur Missile Inbound:

Lol they aren't slow af, if you utilize D Cubed with a Dogma or a Plasma you basically ruin there 1st turn. If i get Vision Hero Vylon on turn 2 its a guaranteed win as long as they don't have a card to stop Trinity's attack. If I get 2 trap cards set then I have a guarantee shot at Witch Raider ruining your field. Celestial helps me draw Drilldark helps he special summon along with Decider. Dreamer protects my Destiny Hero. I have had high chances of getting Plasma or Witch Raider by turn 2 same with Trinity and its resulted in either the enemy losing that same turn or them just surrendering because of my witch raider. Also its a card game quit acting like rank means something when everybody can just spam metas

So they're not? A D-Cubed huh? and how exactly do you pull this off? You know that i can destroy your entire paragraph of what your D-Heroes can with a single sentence? Don't believe me ok here goes:
Darklords can negate every monster effect and have among the highest ATK in the game with Beatdown they can easily overcome your Dogma and Trinity can't attack directly.
Want another one?
Ok: You're not safe from Floodgates, Canadias, TTH's, E-Cons, Wall of D's, Drowning Mirror Force, Sazank and Cipher (unless you get Trinity or Plasma out).
Another one?
Sure: Enishi can just send your monster back to your hand and you wasted 3 monsters for nothing and you have no answer to this.
Enough? I think so.
You don't think about what comes after they manage to overcome your ace or what happens if you can't pull that combo off and that's what makes them not viable even if you manage to get a perfect first round how do oyu follow up if i have one thing that can stop you, just a single one no matter which one, what's you plan, you can't declare something viable and only think about the perfect plays what's your recovery in case your master plan fails?

Oh and before you point it out, yes with Plasma you wouldn't have the problem with the negates of monster effects from darklords bc he negates monster effects as well but he's only 1.9k ATK and vulnerable to Canadia, which negates his negation bc he'd be face down and i'd be able to activate effects again and there goes your plan.

Edit: You know why Egyptian Gods never were really viable (with the exception of Sphere Mode but let's leave that out)? Bc you go -3 for a +1, a strong +1 but not a invulnerable +1, too easy to take care off +1, that's why and that's the same problem Dogma and Plasma has and in a 20 card deck, sacrificing 3 cards to bring out one monster that is too easy to take care off, is not good but i assume you play with 20+ cards or do you not?
Oh and mindlessly spamming meta decks? lmao, i play Darklords right now, they're everything but meta, before i played Parshath for fun, not meta either and before that i was playing around with stall utilizing the 2 new mirror traps from Lumis and Umbra, not meta either + just bc you copy a deck 1:1 doesn't mean you know how to play it and use it to it's utmost potential.

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Postat inițial de Fur Missile Inbound:

Lol they aren't slow af, if you utilize D Cubed with a Dogma or a Plasma you basically ruin there 1st turn. If i get Vision Hero Vylon on turn 2 its a guaranteed win as long as they don't have a card to stop Trinity's attack. If I get 2 trap cards set then I have a guarantee shot at Witch Raider ruining your field. Celestial helps me draw Drilldark helps he special summon along with Decider. Dreamer protects my Destiny Hero. I have had high chances of getting Plasma or Witch Raider by turn 2 same with Trinity and its resulted in either the enemy losing that same turn or them just surrendering because of my witch raider. Also its a card game quit acting like rank means something when everybody can just spam metas

So they're not? A D-Cubed huh? and how exactly do you pull this off? You know that i can destroy your entire paragraph of what your D-Heroes can with a single sentence? Don't believe me ok here goes:
Darklords can negate every monster effect and have among the highest ATK in the game with Beatdown they can easily overcome your Dogma and Trinity can't attack directly.
Want another one?
Ok: You're not safe from Floodgates, Canadias, TTH's, E-Cons, Wall of D's, Drowning Mirror Force, Sazank and Cipher (unless you get Trinity or Plasma out).
Another one?
Sure: Enishi can just send your monster back to your hand and you wasted 3 monsters for nothing and you have no answer to this.
Enough? I think so.
You don't think about what comes after they manage to overcome your ace or what happens if you can't pull that combo off and that's what makes them not viable even if you manage to get a perfect first round how do oyu follow up if i have one thing that can stop you, just a single one no matter which one, what's you plan, you can't declare something viable and only think about the perfect plays what's your recovery in case your master plan fails?

Oh and before you point it out, yes with Plasma you wouldn't have the problem with the negates of monster effects from darklords bc he negates monster effects as well but he's only 1.9k ATK and vulnerable to Canadia, which negates his negation bc he's be face down i'd be able to activate effects again and there goes your plan.

Um yeah I already know that stuff and I know I have no chance against Darklords or Six Samurai. And as far as perfet first turn goes that isn't a thing for me, its perfect 2nd turns. Perfect first would be Dogma which is somehow what I get more of than Plasma. And maybe they aren't as viable as Darklords or Six Samurai, but from what I have done so far they are very viable at a clutch or a quick victory. Also metas change and go. Fate decides the outcome (that's just a joke but you get my point on metas).

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Postat inițial de Fur Missile Inbound:

Um yeah I already know that stuff and I know I have no chance against Darklords or Six Samurai. And as far as perfet first turn goes that isn't a thing for me, its perfect 2nd turns. Perfect first would be Dogma which is somehow what I get more of than Plasma. And maybe they aren't as viable as Darklords or Six Samurai, but from what I have done so far they are very viable at a clutch or a quick victory. Also metas change and go. Fate decides the outcome (that's just a joke but you get my point on metas).

Now this is something i can agree with, yes, metas do change and i think D-Heroes have a place in a meta in one form or another just not in the current one and since metas dictate if a deck is viable or not, your claim, that D-Heroes are viable, is not correct.
Btw, since you said D-Heroes are less viable than Darklords, thanks, you just said basicly what Zane, Raven and i did before, bc Darklords are not viable either, they are powerful but not ladder viable, that was one of the reasons why Raven quit bc not everything is viable and the most viable decks cost a sh*tton of money, i'm not saying you can't win with Darklords on the ladder but you need to play smart and need to create ways out of certain situations.

Sidenote: Lava Golem would be enough to stop you in your tracks as well and you can put Lava Golem in literally every deck.

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Postat inițial de Fur Missile Inbound:

Um yeah I already know that stuff and I know I have no chance against Darklords or Six Samurai. And as far as perfet first turn goes that isn't a thing for me, its perfect 2nd turns. Perfect first would be Dogma which is somehow what I get more of than Plasma. And maybe they aren't as viable as Darklords or Six Samurai, but from what I have done so far they are very viable at a clutch or a quick victory. Also metas change and go. Fate decides the outcome (that's just a joke but you get my point on metas).

Now this is something i can agree with, yes, metas do change and i think D-Heroes have a place in a meta in one form or another just not in the current one and since metas dictate if a deck is viable or not, your claim, that D-Heroes are viable, is not correct.
Btw, since you said D-Heroes are less viable than Darklords, thanks, you just said basicly what Zane, Raven and i did before, bc Darklords are not viable either, they are powerful but not ladder viable, that was one of the reasons why Raven quit bc not everything is viable and the most viable decks cost a sh*tton of money, i'm not saying you can't win with Darklords on the ladder but you need to play smart and need to create ways out of certain situations.

Sidenote: Lava Golem would be enough to stop you in your tracks as well and you can put Lava Golem in literally every deck.

Maybe once they add Dreadmaster or that one fusion Destiny Hero then maybe they will get there chance, besides my Destiny Hero deck ins't even complete and I added The Grand Jupiter cause Aster used it, and yes it does nothing to the battle what so ever. Also my problem is not spending money on cards my problem is not spending gems on cards. The closest to beating a meta i have done was that weird Cyberdark Neos meta. I would have beaten it but he summoned a cyberdark direct attack (yes I don't know what its name is) and since I had only 400LP left it was basically gg at that point

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Maybe once they add Dreadmaster or that one fusion Destiny Hero then maybe they will get there chance, besides my Destiny Hero deck ins't even complete and I added The Grand Jupiter cause Aster used it, and yes it does nothing to the battle what so ever. Also my problem is not spending money on cards my problem is not spending gems on cards. The closest to beating a meta i have done was that weird Cyberdark Neos meta. I would have beaten it but he summoned a cyberdark direct attack (yes I don't know what its name is) and since I had only 400LP left it was basically gg at that point

Cyberdark Edge.

Guess you could make it a decent stall deck with Clock Tower Prison and Dreadmaster, still wouldn't keep you safe from E-Con, Floodgate, Lava Golem etc.

Edit: took out TTH bc Dreadmaster would actually prevent the destruction.

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Postat inițial de Fur Missile Inbound:

Maybe once they add Dreadmaster or that one fusion Destiny Hero then maybe they will get there chance, besides my Destiny Hero deck ins't even complete and I added The Grand Jupiter cause Aster used it, and yes it does nothing to the battle what so ever. Also my problem is not spending money on cards my problem is not spending gems on cards. The closest to beating a meta i have done was that weird Cyberdark Neos meta. I would have beaten it but he summoned a cyberdark direct attack (yes I don't know what its name is) and since I had only 400LP left it was basically gg at that point

Cyberdark Edge.

Guess you could make it a decent stall deck with Clock Tower Prison and Dreadmaster, still wouldn't keep you safe from E-Con, Floodgate, Lava Golem etc.

Edit: took out TTH bc Dreadmaster would actually prevent the destruction.

Destruction traps aren't my biggest downfall in all honesty, except Treachourous Trap Hole that one always gets me. I usually have traps cards like Destiny Signal or that one card that always me to get back my monsters that were destroyed by card effect. Besides I mostly want that dragon fusion Destiny End Dragoon and probably that Vision Hero Adoration

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Postat inițial de Fur Missile Inbound:

Um yeah I already know that stuff and I know I have no chance against Darklords or Six Samurai. And as far as perfet first turn goes that isn't a thing for me, its perfect 2nd turns. Perfect first would be Dogma which is somehow what I get more of than Plasma. And maybe they aren't as viable as Darklords or Six Samurai, but from what I have done so far they are very viable at a clutch or a quick victory. Also metas change and go. Fate decides the outcome (that's just a joke but you get my point on metas).

Now this is something i can agree with, yes, metas do change and i think D-Heroes have a place in a meta in one form or another just not in the current one and since metas dictate if a deck is viable or not, your claim, that D-Heroes are viable, is not correct.
Btw, since you said D-Heroes are less viable than Darklords, thanks, you just said basicly what Zane, Raven and i did before, bc Darklords are not viable either, they are powerful but not ladder viable, that was one of the reasons why Raven quit bc not everything is viable and the most viable decks cost a sh*tton of money, i'm not saying you can't win with Darklords on the ladder but you need to play smart and need to create ways out of certain situations.

Sidenote: Lava Golem would be enough to stop you in your tracks as well and you can put Lava Golem in literally every deck.

Its off-topic but to be fair, the reason I'm quitting is not because darklords aren't viable (lets be real, I honestly think I could make legend with them, but I think I'd get stuck there) but its the fact we got a structure, a mini-box, another structure coming, two events running simultaneously, I just can't afford to keep up. I have neither the time or money. Its possible if you have time, but I want to play a game because its fun, not to feel like I have to play it just to keep relevant

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Postat inițial de ||eXz|| _sNTx // 悲しい:

Now this is something i can agree with, yes, metas do change and i think D-Heroes have a place in a meta in one form or another just not in the current one and since metas dictate if a deck is viable or not, your claim, that D-Heroes are viable, is not correct.
Btw, since you said D-Heroes are less viable than Darklords, thanks, you just said basicly what Zane, Raven and i did before, bc Darklords are not viable either, they are powerful but not ladder viable, that was one of the reasons why Raven quit bc not everything is viable and the most viable decks cost a sh*tton of money, i'm not saying you can't win with Darklords on the ladder but you need to play smart and need to create ways out of certain situations.

Sidenote: Lava Golem would be enough to stop you in your tracks as well and you can put Lava Golem in literally every deck.

Its off-topic but to be fair, the reason I'm quitting is not because darklords aren't viable (lets be real, I honestly think I could make legend with them, but I think I'd get stuck there) but its the fact we got a structure, a mini-box, another structure coming, two events running simultaneously, I just can't afford to keep up. I have neither the time or money. Its possible if you have time, but I want to play a game because its fun, not to feel like I have to play it just to keep relevant

You forgot the most important character in all of Duel Links, Tristan

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Its off-topic but to be fair, the reason I'm quitting is not because darklords aren't viable (lets be real, I honestly think I could make legend with them, but I think I'd get stuck there) but its the fact we got a structure, a mini-box, another structure coming, two events running simultaneously, I just can't afford to keep up. I have neither the time or money. Its possible if you have time, but I want to play a game because its fun, not to feel like I have to play it just to keep relevant

I said one of the reasons, not the reason and i meant not the fact that Darklords aren't viable but that to stay or be viable that you either have to spend a sh*tton of money or time ^^
Anyways, you can reach KoG with Darklords with relative ease but it's a time thing and well luck and to be fair the Odion event is barely worth it, makes stall decks even stronger and is mostly useless for everything else, like almost all the roaming duelist events, sadly.