Discarding Cost Vs Effect

[Kero Kero]

I need to know for my dark world deck, How do I know which is which is there a specific way it's worded in the card text?

[DUBINA]

if you unsure, you can just google the card and check the card's ruling

[Kero Kero]

Originally posted by DUBINA:

if you unsure, you can just google the card and check the card's ruling

So the answer is "No, there is no way to tell based on text" That's very helpful design Konami

[DUBINA]

Originally posted by Keero Kamiya:

Originally posted by DUBINA:

if you unsure, you can just google the card and check the card's ruling

So the answer is "No, there is no way to tell based on text" That's very helpful design Konami

dark world only work with being discarded for a card effect, so the discard needs to be the last thing to happen, like with dark world lightning.
and yes there is a way to know. but you need experience with the game. basicly if the card text asks you to do something to accomplish something else then its a cost. in duel link there isnt that much cards to work with dark world so chances are high that the cards you thinking of are with cost.

[Obsidian Dragoon]

With a lot of updated Problem Solving Card Text, if it comes before a semicolon, it's a cost and therefore will not trigger cards like Dark World.

[thk]

Originally posted by Keero Kamiya:

Originally posted by DUBINA:

if you unsure, you can just google the card and check the card's ruling

So the answer is "No, there is no way to tell based on text" That's very helpful design Konami

There is a way if it's a more recent card. Starting around 2011-2012 Konami standardized how cards were written to make it clear what's an activation condition, cost or even an effect that activates. This is called "Problem-Solving Card Text" (PSCT for short)

Example I'll give of a fake card effect using PSCT:
"When your opponent Special Summons a monster: You can pay 500 LP; draw 2 cards"

In the above example, this is an activated effect with the activation condition of your opponent Special Summoning a monster. We know this because it all comes before the colon (:) in the card text.

Paying 500 LP is the cost to activate the card. We can tell this is the case because it comes before a semicolon (;) in the card text.

Drawing 2 cards is the actual effect. This comes after the semicolon so that's how we know, but it can also come after the colon if the semicolon isn't present. Or if it's an effect that doesn't activate, neither the semicolon or colon will be present.

I hope this clears things up for you. Please note that there's still some older cards which haven't gotten updated with PSCT, so for those you will need to look up individual rulings for those cards.

[Soda]

Originally posted by thk573:

Originally posted by Keero Kamiya:

So the answer is "No, there is no way to tell based on text" That's very helpful design Konami

There is a way if it's a more recent card. Starting around 2011-2012 Konami standardized how cards were written to make it clear what's an activation condition, cost or even an effect that activates. This is called "Problem-Solving Card Text" (PSCT for short)

Example I'll give of a fake card effect using PSCT:
"When your opponent Special Summons a monster: You can pay 500 LP; draw 2 cards"

In the above example, this is an activated effect with the activation condition of your opponent Special Summoning a monster. We know this because it all comes before the colon (:) in the card text.

Paying 500 LP is the cost to activate the card. We can tell this is the case because it comes before a semicolon (;) in the card text.

Drawing 2 cards is the actual effect. This comes after the semicolon so that's how we know, but it can also come after the colon if the semicolon isn't present. Or if it's an effect that doesn't activate, neither the semicolon or colon will be present.

I hope this clears things up for you. Please note that there's still some older cards which haven't gotten updated with PSCT, so for those you will need to look up individual rulings for those cards.

As a Judge, I can confirm this as correct.

tl;dr: Anything before a (;) is cost.

[Kero Kero]

Originally posted by DUBINA:

Originally posted by Keero Kamiya:

So the answer is "No, there is no way to tell based on text" That's very helpful design Konami

dark world only work with being discarded for a card effect, so the discard needs to be the last thing to happen, like with dark world lightning.
and yes there is a way to know. but you need experience with the game. basicly if the card text asks you to do something to accomplish something else then its a cost. in duel link there isnt that much cards to work with dark world so chances are high that the cards you thinking of are with cost.

I dunno they're so obscurely written sometimes. Like okay in one example it'll say "Do X effect, then you CAN discard 1 card and do something else" or "Discard 1 card do this" or "discard all cards in your hand" and that still won't work. what's so hard about just adding the words ( as a cost ) in the text like they do with ( quick effect ) for monsters ?

[Kero Kero]

Originally posted by thk573:

Originally posted by Keero Kamiya:

So the answer is "No, there is no way to tell based on text" That's very helpful design Konami

There is a way if it's a more recent card. Starting around 2011-2012 Konami standardized how cards were written to make it clear what's an activation condition, cost or even an effect that activates. This is called "Problem-Solving Card Text" (PSCT for short)

Example I'll give of a fake card effect using PSCT:
"When your opponent Special Summons a monster: You can pay 500 LP; draw 2 cards"

In the above example, this is an activated effect with the activation condition of your opponent Special Summoning a monster. We know this because it all comes before the colon (:) in the card text.

Paying 500 LP is the cost to activate the card. We can tell this is the case because it comes before a semicolon (;) in the card text.

Drawing 2 cards is the actual effect. This comes after the semicolon so that's how we know, but it can also come after the colon if the semicolon isn't present. Or if it's an effect that doesn't activate, neither the semicolon or colon will be present.

I hope this clears things up for you. Please note that there's still some older cards which haven't gotten updated with PSCT, so for those you will need to look up individual rulings for those cards.

I see, I'll have to look out for that then thanks.