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It just sucks that I am trying to test it and playing against Perfect Draw opponents while I only have 1 Immortal..
And you don't need to be a genius to understand card wording. You just need common sense and to read basic english.
Do you even do much reading? Cuz if you don't, you and Junk Vlada would get along really well
Actually, you have to know this stupid games card by card ruling that you can only get from a constantly updated internet data base.
You, usually means the controller. Your is a possessive term, meaning the controller. You and Your should mean the same person, the controller.
Also, the fact that the effect doesn't go off unless it has been flipped prior isn't even in the ruling that I have seen. It, also, doesn't fit the precedent of other cards that have flip effects and other effects and cards with multiple effects.
The fact that the card doesn't activate when it's facedown is another issue. There are cards with the same exact wording that DO activate even if they are destroyed face down.
You see.. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rules the game makes up per card basis and there is no consistency.
Having trouble with rulings and rules? Well, I'm your go to on these forums.
Card text:
"You" in yugioh, is a term used to identify the current controller of the card (while it is on the field) or the owner (while it is NOT on the field.)
The owner is who the card's origin is from (their deck).
In reference to the card you are having trouble with; when The Immortal of Thunder is flipped (FLIP:) You (the controller) gains 3000 LP. Pretty simple so far, right?
Now, I believe the part you're having trouble with is the second part of the same effect. Since the entire effect is in one line and under a FLIP: condition, the first half must happen before the second half. So if the card,
- that was flipped - is sent from the field to the GY, YOU lose 5000 LP. Since the card is no longer on the field when it activates, "You" refers to the owner, which makes the owner lose 5000 LP.
tl;dr: It must be flipped first (battle or manually), then whoever's GY it goes to (the owner) it applies the effect.
The problem I have is not with the Rule alone but with how the rules are made.
There are other cards that are printed in the same fashion that don't follow this type of ruling. Example:
Guardian Sphinx
Once per turn: You can change this card to the face-down Defense Postion. When this card is Flip Summoned: Return all monsters your opponent controls to the hand.
Am I suppose to the assume the second half of this effect cannot be play if played face down and then flip summoned or does this second half of the effect only apply when the first half has been met as a condition?
How about this card: Blade Knight
It's effects are printed in a single line with no paragraph.
While you have 1 or less cards in your hand, this card gains 400 ATK. If you control no other monsters, the effects of Flip monsters destroyed by battle with this card are negated.
Am I suppose to assume that the second half this effect is only applied if the first half is conditionally met?
See the problem. You are trying to say that the reason the second half of an effect that is not separated by a semi-colon is some how a second half of the flip effect that makes the first half a condition that needs to be met.
I can keep going..
Marshmallon
After damage calculation, if this card was attacked, and was face down at the start of the Damage Step: The attacking player takes 1000 damage. Cannot be destroyed by battle.
Am I supposed to assume that this card CAN be destroyed by battle so long as it WASN'T face down at the start of the Damage Step?
See.. The applied rule is not consistent.
In the order you posted so I can keep this brief:
Guardian Sphinx - First effect is an activating ignition effect, the second is a trigger effect.
Blade Knight - First effect is a non-activating trigger. Second effect is a condition.
Marshmallon - First effect is an activating trigger effect. Second effect is a condition.
Have you noticed anything about the 3 cards you listed? None of them are FLIP: effects.
In addition, in response to your comment about semi-colons, semi-colons are ONLY used to denote COST. Colons are only used to denote if an effect ACTIVATES.
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Flip: Select 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field and destroy it. When this card is sent directly from your hand to the Graveyard, return 1 Flip Effect Monster from your Graveyard to your Hand.
Am I suppose to Flip this card some how from my hand before I can use the second half of the effect?
Or is this one some how different because "reasons."
Subterror Behemoth Phospheroglacier
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FLIP: You can send 1 card from your Deck to the Graveyard. You can only use this effect of "Subterror Behemoth Phospheroglacier" once per turn. When a face-up monster you control is flipped face-down, if you control no face-up monsters: You can special summon this card from your hand in Defense Position. Once per turn: You can change this card to face-down Defense Position.
Do I assume that ALL that text is a part of the FLIP effect? At what point does a Flip Effect end and a different effect begin? Am I just supposed to assume this card cannot be special summoned without first being flipped? How about the Once per turn effect? Can I not use it because it hasn't been flipped or maybe I can't use it because I didn't special summon it. After all, this text seems to be all on one line.
Both of those second effects are trigger effects from the HAND.