Underused Archtypes that can stand against Meta.

[Cross Clover]

What are some Archtypes that you hardly see but believe can beat Meta decks?

Ill start by saying Laval Archtypes have been very powerful against the meta decks such as Subterror, Tryamids, Magicians, and I actually managed to beat a fully set Dark Lords deck with it.

Laval are weak against Gravekeepers and Six Samurai tho.

What other archtypes you think can stand up to meta?

[Taweret]

this game turned more p2w since i played it last time (abyss encounter box), and im playing it since it was launched on steam.

pvp dont give me fun anymore since everyone uses preconstructed decks even in gold that are kog worthy, when i see someone play dinos, burn/mill or fish i actually give them "nice-friendly" since its rarity and i never seen anyone playing deck like my own.

before it was more balanced, since if you wanted strong deck you had to still take risks and open these boxes and it costed a lot of money, now for few bucks you can make kog worthy deck and are good for rest of season, this kills a lot of creativity in the game since when you was opening these boxes there was still chance you wont get all the key cards and you had to build deck with what you have, now is not the case. this also kills fun for real f2p ppl (i dont talk for myself since i spend probably around 80 bucks on this game already and own many big boxes staples) only about someone who just started what other choice he has than buying preconstructed or sucking miserable? are you returning player? just buy preconstructed as well to get back into the game lol. better release the game where players can only use preconstructed core decks and switch only few tech cards but it wouldnt give them as much profits as milking people every season.

when people asked devs to make the game more f2p friendly they werent asking for boosted p2w decks everyone will run even in gold, now people put neos into every deck, what's the fun in that? for 100 ranked games i saw 0 different decks 80% of them were preconstructed..... ill rather play "legacy of the duelist" with friends or "ygopro", not because (i cant afford preconstructed) only because building deck i want takes forever and even if i finish it would be just at best "fun irrelevant deck" when another preconstructed hit the game and faceroll everything, powercreep in this game seriously turned into absurdity of EX pokemons level, where win condition for kids just to summon their EX pokemon, there are barely any mind games involved now, i prefered backrow heavy metas.

[c Z p]

Originally posted by Nosferathou:

So what? you are the one who needs to open your eyes, or you really expect cards from 2001 ~ 2003 to hold up to today standard? Komoney NEEDS to make more powerful cards overtime, if 2001 decks were still good, what would be the point of buying new cards? i said i consider it to be DM because it gives purpose to older cards, in this case Dark Magician.

You're not liked around here for a reason ... now i know why.

Relax, my friend. We just have different standards when it comes to yugioh cards and dueling, no big deal. Try not to confuse recently released DM-featuring cards for actual DM cards, a lot of ppl get caught on that.

For instance, Weevil's non released in DL "Insect Barrier" is a DM card. "Cocoon of Ultra Evolution" isn't really a DM card. (cool though, I use it with Weevil)

Mako's non-released "Tornado Wall" is a DM card. "Sea Stealth Attack" isn't. (cool though, I use it with Mako x1)

Joey's "Red-Eyes" deck isn't DM. They should be giving him "Roulette Spider" or "Trap Hole of Spikes" etc.

I know they need to make money, that doesn't alter the truth, though. I'm arguing about their choice of released cards, they could still be making a lot of money and remain accurate to their storyline at the same time.

edit: Funny way to brag about having Mahadx2, btw. Nice.
edit2: If they actually didn't mix up the card inventories of all 3 Gens together, there should be no problem at all. But, no. I'll have to face Dark Signers while playing as Espa Roba, right? Bad, unbalanced game.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

c Z p, buddy (not) you need to realise that your standard aren't the same as everyone else's. You don't like the legacy support because it doesn't fit your ideals, not my problem, I love it.

I know how it feels to see the game change, I played since the start of DM till GX s1, at the end of which they stopped broadcasting the show. Next time I hear of it it's mid ZeXal, it was overwhelming, my old decks couldn't compete on Dueling Network, I totally despised Dark World, but I felt a new love for the game, Synchros, I'm in love with that mechanic, and I love how the game is now. I liked the game in DM but it always felt like it's missing something for me, it was just too slow and uninteractive outside of a few battle traps and the here and there quick effects. If you play a table 1000 deck, yes, the game may feel uninteractive for you, but that's a you problem because you refuse to build a proper deck.

Also, yes. You should face Dark Signers when playing Espa because they are in the same time line. It's cannon and confirmed. Want proof? Officer Tetsu Trudge is the same person who was bullying Yugi, Joey and Tristan. Not just the same name, exact same dude. It's the same time line, just around 20 years or so apart.

[c Z p]

Originally posted by Anubis:

c Z p, buddy (not) you need to realise that your standard aren't the same as everyone else's. You don't like the legacy support because it doesn't fit your ideals, not my problem, I love it.

I know how it feels to see the game change, I played since the start of DM till GX s1, at the end of which they stopped broadcasting the show. Next time I hear of it it's mid ZeXal, it was overwhelming, my old decks couldn't compete on Dueling Network, I totally despised Dark World, but I felt a new love for the game, Synchros, I'm in love with that mechanic, and I love how the game is now. I liked the game in DM but it always felt like it's missing something for me, it was just too slow and uninteractive outside of a few battle traps and the here and there quick effects. If you play a table 1000 deck, yes, the game may feel uninteractive for you, but that's a you problem because you refuse to build a proper deck.

Also, yes. You should face Dark Signers when playing Espa because they are in the same time line. It's cannon and confirmed. Want proof? Officer Tetsu Trudge is the same person who was bullying Yugi, Joey and Tristan. Not just the same name, exact same dude. It's the same time line, just around 20 years or so apart.

Thank you, Anubis. You've been very indulging. Suddenly, I could finally relate to someone. (NOT).

edit: You know, when you felt the game was changing and you used to despise the new Dark World stuff and blah blah blah? You should have stayed that way.

edit2: I can't build a proper deck, eh? Okay. Maybe you're indeed better at deckbuilding. Copy-pasting a netdeck needs extreme skills, imagination and cunning.
Why don't you people just admit that you prefer keeping up with meta, rather than completing each char's deck, then keep improving them, still staying on their patterns, though. I'm not chasing after a KoG icon, the game is in a bad state. If accurate char decks can't do it, I don't need it.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by c Z p:

edit: You know, when you felt the game was changing and you used to despise the new Dark World stuff and blah blah blah? You should have stayed that way.

Why should've I stayed the same? I enjoy how the game is now, if I would've stayed the same, stuck in the past, I wouldn't be having fun.

Being stuck in the past....not something you should do, regardless of things that you attached to.

[c Z p]

Originally posted by Anubis:

Being stuck in the past....not something you should do, regardless of things that you attached to.

Okay, fair enough. Let me worry about that.

Originally posted by Anubis:

Why should've I stayed the same? I enjoy how the game is now, if I would've stayed the same, stuck in the past, I wouldn't be having fun.

I think it's a different case. I think you made a choice back then that you prefer keeping closer to the win, rather than playing with your really real (I mean it, initially REAL) favourites, regardless if they were considered "rogue" and "random stuff put together". Np with that, it's a choice. If your "favs" are meta cards, np. But still, wow, how convenient.
Personally, such dilemmas make me lean towards my initial favs, in about all subjects, not just yugioh, always.


Example; "Power of the Guardians", a truly overpowering Equip Spell, even better than the original "Mage Power". The moment I realized what that dude does, I permanently excluded it from any and all potential uses I might have for it, cause let's be honest, it ridicules EVERY other Equip Spell. Same with many other cards and ofc, mostly ALL archetypes that spam around. "Kidmodo Dragon"? Hell, no. I don't need Kidmodo Dragon to Summon my Blue-Eyes. I Tribute Summon my Blue-Eyes. Jeez

[Sparse Dunes]

Originally posted by c Z p:

Example; "Power of the Guardians", a truly overpowering Equip Spell, even better than the original "Mage Power". The moment I realized what that dude does, I permanently excluded it from any and all potential uses I might have for it, cause let's be honest, it ridicules EVERY other Equip Spell. Same with many other cards and ofc, mostly ALL archetypes that spam around. "Kidmodo Dragon"? Hell, no. I don't need Kidmodo Dragon to Summon my Blue-Eyes. I Tribute Summon my Blue-Eyes. Jeez

So you basically enter a race by shooting yourself in the kneecaps?

Okay well good luck building anything cause of "IT'S BROKEN".

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by c Z p:

Originally posted by Anubis:

Why should've I stayed the same? I enjoy how the game is now, if I would've stayed the same, stuck in the past, I wouldn't be having fun.

I think it's a different case. I think you made a choice back then that you prefer keeping closer to the win, rather than playing with your really real (I mean it, initially REAL) favourites, regardless if they were considered "rogue" and "random stuff put together". Np with that, it's a choice. If your "favs" are meta cards, np. But still, wow, how convenient.
Personally, such dilemmas make me lean towards my initial favs, in about all subjects, not just yugioh, always.

Actually, no. I "didn't realise I like the win", don't get me wrong, winning is fun, but what I like is how the game plays. I never had a "real" favorite in the original DM or GX. My first actual favorite archetype was Gusto, and some of my friends can confirm that I am annoyed Sphreeze isn't in the Duel Links because she's what's needed to make the theme playable. When Pilica got released in the TCG I was super hyped because it was a nice breath of fresh air to the theme. I never expected it to be super strong or competitive, it's playable. I remember incorporating a Speedroid engine to boost the speed of the deck.

If themes I like become meta, it's not my fault I like a meta strategy. Lunalights are now a strong meta strategy, but I was playing them even before Kaleidochick was released.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not "I like to win with the meta", it's "I like to with archetypes that I find fun and fitting my playstyle". Some are meta at one point or another, others never were, some still are. I liked the game back in DM but I never had a favorite strategy or theme from there, that's why it was much more easy for me to accept the new stuff, because that's where I really found my love for the game.

Originally posted by Sparse Dunes:

Originally posted by c Z p:

Example; "Power of the Guardians", a truly overpowering Equip Spell, even better than the original "Mage Power". The moment I realized what that dude does, I permanently excluded it from any and all potential uses I might have for it, cause let's be honest, it ridicules EVERY other Equip Spell. Same with many other cards and ofc, mostly ALL archetypes that spam around. "Kidmodo Dragon"? Hell, no. I don't need Kidmodo Dragon to Summon my Blue-Eyes. I Tribute Summon my Blue-Eyes. Jeez

So you basically enter a race by shooting yourself in the kneecaps?

Okay well good luck building anything cause of "IT'S BROKEN".

That's like 99% of all "I build my own decks without considering or caring what others play" people here believe.

[c Z p]

Originally posted by Sparse Dunes:

So you basically enter a race by shooting yourself in the kneecaps?

Okay well good luck building anything cause of "IT'S BROKEN".

Thank you. Much appreciated. It's not me shooting my legs, btw, it's you using lame steroids before the race. Let's see where that gets you..

Originally posted by Anubis:

Actually, no. I "didn't realise I like the win", don't get me wrong, winning is fun, but what I like is how the game plays. I never had a "real" favorite in the original DM or GX. My first actual favorite archetype was Gusto, and some of my friends can confirm that I am annoyed Sphreeze isn't in the Duel Links because she's what's needed to make the theme playable. When Pilica got released in the TCG I was super hyped because it was a nice breath of fresh air to the theme. I never expected it to be super strong or competitive, it's playable. I remember incorporating a Speedroid engine to boost the speed of the deck.

If themes I like become meta, it's not my fault I like a meta strategy. Lunalights are now a strong meta strategy, but I was playing them even before Kaleidochick was released.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not "I like to win with the meta", it's "I like to with archetypes that I find fun and fitting my playstyle". Some are meta at one point or another, others never were, some still are. I liked the game back in DM but I never had a favorite strategy or theme from there, that's why it was much more easy for me to accept the new stuff, because that's where I really found my love for the game.

Nice. Go on, happy gaming^^