TEW 2: An Underrated Icon of Survival Horror

[Fresto]

My friend made this really good video analysing what, in his opinion, made TEW 2 so good and I wanna help promote it for him since the video was very good, here's the link for you guys to check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0d03Yttv-Q&t=170s

[mouth]

TEW 1 is an underrated icon and masterpiece of survival horror. TEW 2 is fantastic too. But I'd give TEW1 the title of the true survival horror. Haven't seen the video yet, will after work.

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by mouth:

TEW 1 is an underrated icon and masterpiece of survival horror. TEW 2 is fantastic too. But I'd give TEW1 the title of the true survival horror. Haven't seen the video yet, will after work.

Nah TEW had way to many flaws, I would give the game credit for level variety that's it.

[Proxidist]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

Originally posted by mouth:

TEW 1 is an underrated icon and masterpiece of survival horror. TEW 2 is fantastic too. But I'd give TEW1 the title of the true survival horror. Haven't seen the video yet, will after work.

Nah TEW had way to many flaws, I would give the game credit for level variety that's it.

I really liked the evil within 1 tbh. I feel like if TEW1 had the refined gameplay of the second game, it would be amazing.

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by Proxidist:

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

Nah TEW had way to many flaws, I would give the game credit for level variety that's it.

I really liked the evil within 1 tbh. I feel like if TEW1 had the refined gameplay of the second game, it would be amazing.

Maybe a plot that didn't require dlc to understand. Plus less insta death moves then sure I can agree.

[Proxidist]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

Originally posted by Proxidist:

I really liked the evil within 1 tbh. I feel like if TEW1 had the refined gameplay of the second game, it would be amazing.

Maybe a plot that didn't require dlc to understand. Plus less insta death moves then sure I can agree.

I forgot to mention them lmao.

[mouth]

Plot was awesome in TEW1, exactly because it wasn't spoonfed to you. Have you never watched art horror movies from the likes of Cronenberg or even Yuzna? HP Lovecraft's work?? Those would get quite often into the absurd realm and the characters were often detached and cold. There were gaps that you could fill yourself. Same with TEW1. Hell, Silent Hill 2 did the "off characters" thing on purpose with the voice acting!

Not everything needs to be a mainstream cookie cutter plotline. TEW1's plot wasn't even hard to follow. Those who couldn't follow it.. well I can't really say nice things to those people IQ wise.

TEW1's gameplay, atmosphere and design is something that true horror survival fans will appreciate more than your typical mainstream gamer. And that's why it's deserving of praise, and cult status.

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by mouth:

Plot was awesome in TEW1, exactly because it wasn't spoonfed to you. Have you never watched art horror movies from the likes of Cronenberg or even Yuzna? HP Lovecraft's work?? Those would get quite often into the absurd realm and the characters were often detached and cold. There were gaps that you could fill yourself. Same with TEW1. Hell, Silent Hill 2 did the "off characters" thing on purpose with the voice acting!

Not everything needs to be a mainstream cookie cutter plotline. TEW1's plot wasn't even hard to follow. Those who couldn't follow it.. well I can't really say nice things to those people IQ wise.

TEW1's gameplay, atmosphere and design is something that true horror survival fans will appreciate more than your typical mainstream gamer. And that's why it's deserving of praise, and cult status.

You find gore excessive blood not to be mainstream alright. No it wasn't told well, specific information was left out to be told in the dlc. Silent Hill 2 you used as an example had actual pacing and was easier to follow, it just had a lot of foreshadowing before the big reveal and different things can be interpreted, but the main plot wasn't a jumbled mess like TEW was. I'd agree that Ruvik wad a far better villain but the story isn't all that great and neither how it was told.

[mouth]

Originally posted by Bankai9212:

Originally posted by mouth:

Plot was awesome in TEW1, exactly because it wasn't spoonfed to you. Have you never watched art horror movies from the likes of Cronenberg or even Yuzna? HP Lovecraft's work?? Those would get quite often into the absurd realm and the characters were often detached and cold. There were gaps that you could fill yourself. Same with TEW1. Hell, Silent Hill 2 did the "off characters" thing on purpose with the voice acting!

Not everything needs to be a mainstream cookie cutter plotline. TEW1's plot wasn't even hard to follow. Those who couldn't follow it.. well I can't really say nice things to those people IQ wise.

TEW1's gameplay, atmosphere and design is something that true horror survival fans will appreciate more than your typical mainstream gamer. And that's why it's deserving of praise, and cult status.

You find gore excessive blood not to be mainstream alright. No it wasn't told well, specific information was left out to be told in the dlc. Silent Hill 2 you used as an example had actual pacing and was easier to follow, it just had a lot of foreshadowing before the big reveal and different things can be interpreted, but the main plot wasn't a jumbled mess like TEW was. I'd agree that Ruvik wad a far better villain but the story isn't all that great and neither how it was told.

Not once during the TEW gameplay did I find plot and story telling a jumbled mess or non comprehensive. I don't buy it, it's been told many times before, I call that lazy gamers. I'm sorry, I just do. I've been gaming since the early 90s, I've seen my share of bad plots and good plots. Not everything needs to be told and explained. Hellraiser certainly didn't need to explain where Cenobites came from, but it did in the sequel, and ruined it a bit. That's an example. Same way DLC expanded on the storyline, and gave more information. Was that information actually necessary to appreciate the main storyline? No, it wasn't. Did it fit nicely? Yeah, it did. Hell, I'd buy more TEW DLCs, right now. And TEW2 DLCs. More of TEW is a good thing, not a negative!

Excessive blood and gore? Where did I mention that being "not mainstream"? Read again. I mentioned the whole package being more tailored for players who appreciate a certain type of gameplay and design, and TEW's is not exactly mainstream. TEW2 is more mainstream, but I loved it too.

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Not to mention, TEW1 is definitely more challenging than TEW2. I had to play TEW2 on nightmare setting and still found it easier than TEW1's survival.

[JocularJosh]

TEW is more "challenging" because of cheap instea-death moves and other ♥♥♥♥.
That's not challenging, that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

And I fail to see how the plot was "awesome" as well.
The second you get what it's about you realize how generic it is.
And please don't compare TEW to H.P.Lovecrafts work, that's a huge insult.

[Proxidist]

Originally posted by Jocular Josh:

TEW is more "challenging" because of cheap instea-death moves and other ♥♥♥♥.
That's not challenging, that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

And I fail to see how the plot was "awesome" as well.
The second you get what it's about you realize how generic it is.
And please don't compare TEW to H.P.Lovecrafts work, that's a huge insult.

Nice Dark Souls icon

[mouth]

Originally posted by Jocular Josh:

TEW is more "challenging" because of cheap instea-death moves and other ♥♥♥♥.
That's not challenging, that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

And I fail to see how the plot was "awesome" as well.
The second you get what it's about you realize how generic it is.
And please don't compare TEW to H.P.Lovecrafts work, that's a huge insult.

Plot awesomeness is extremely subjective and not worth discussing. And don't tell me what I can compare or not, I've been reading horror novels and short stories probably before you were born. And I did NOT compare it to HP's work directly for F sake. Seems a lot of you loudmouths have comprehension issues.

Cheap deaths? Pfff. Us Dark Souls veterans have no issues with it. Let me give you a sterotype DS answer - git gud.

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by mouth:

Originally posted by Jocular Josh:

TEW is more "challenging" because of cheap instea-death moves and other ♥♥♥♥.
That's not challenging, that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

And I fail to see how the plot was "awesome" as well.
The second you get what it's about you realize how generic it is.
And please don't compare TEW to H.P.Lovecrafts work, that's a huge insult.

Plot awesomeness is extremely subjective and not worth discussing. And don't tell me what I can compare or not, I've been reading horror novels and short stories probably before you were born. And I did NOT compare it to HP's work directly for F sake. Seems a lot of you loudmouths have comprehension issues.

Cheap deaths? Pfff. Us Dark Souls veterans have no issues with it. Let me give you a sterotype DS answer - git gud.

If it's extremely subjective why do you even mention it here? What is there to discuss then?

Ouh, the famous "I am older and therefore more experienced than you", you can take that argument and shove it.
It's idiotic. Comparing H.P. to TEW....ha.
And you did, in fact, compare the two. Maybe learn on your english then, not my fault.

And why do you mention DS now? DS has absolutely nothing to do with it and apart from the second game DS relies mostly on skill, unlike TEW.

Go ahead, give me more.

[mouth]

Originally posted by Jocular Josh:

Originally posted by mouth:

Plot awesomeness is extremely subjective and not worth discussing. And don't tell me what I can compare or not, I've been reading horror novels and short stories probably before you were born. And I did NOT compare it to HP's work directly for F sake. Seems a lot of you loudmouths have comprehension issues.

Cheap deaths? Pfff. Us Dark Souls veterans have no issues with it. Let me give you a sterotype DS answer - git gud.

If it's extremely subjective why do you even mention it here? What is there to discuss then?

Ouh, the famous "I am older and therefore more experienced than you", you can take that argument and shove it.
It's idiotic. Comparing H.P. to TEW....ha.
And you did, in fact, compare the two. Maybe learn on your english then, not my fault.

And why do you mention DS now? DS has absolutely nothing to do with it and apart from the second game DS relies mostly on skill, unlike TEW.

Go ahead, give me more.

I compared the emotional distant characters and shrouded storytelling to several artists here, not just HP. I did not DIRECTLY compare the storyline to anything HP did (you obvioulsy want to put every HP work in the same bin though). And yes, older is usually more experienced. You can shove that too, along with your twisting of someone's words or just plain, not getting it. Ya get it?

I compared it to DS because it has a nice DS like difficulty to it, and at the same time because of the difficulty, it feels more rewarding to overcome those challenges. I've compared the two before, it's not out of blue. It relies on skill, I absolutely disagree. I haven't died once in the game where I didn't feel was my fault.

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by mouth:

I compared the emotional distant characters and shrouded storytelling to several artists here, not just HP. I did not DIRECTLY compare the storyline to anything HP did (you obvioulsy want to put every HP work in the same bin though).

So you only compared some components with each other?
And then you didn't DIRECLTY compare them?
Well which one is it?
Come on, you compared them, simple as that. Jesus...

Originally posted by mouth:

And yes, older is usually more experienced. You can shove that too, along with your twisting of someone's words or just plain, not getting it. Ya get it?

No, older isn't usually more experienced. And you are the perfect example apparently.
TEWs story awesome....pff

Originally posted by mouth:

I compared it to DS because it has a nice DS like difficulty to it, and at the same time because of the difficulty, it feels more rewarding to overcome those challenges

No it does not. Not at all.
Could you stop comparing TEW to masterpieces?
This is making me sick.

Originally posted by mouth:

It relies on skill, I absolutely disagree. I haven't died once in the game where I didn't feel was my fault.

You are full of ♥♥♥♥ then, simple as that.
A thing we already proved before.