Was Vergil really evil

[Yoticos]

What do you think?

[MaiiyourCat]

Originally posted by Yorik:

Originally posted by MaiiyourCat:

I love people who don't read the whole part of the answers and just take some part of someone's thoughts, taking things out of context. Vergil demon half is evil, but not Vergil alone, that's how I understood it. But maybe that's just me.

How does that defeat the point that what he does is evil and wrong?

That Vergil can't control his devil inside, so it doesn't make him pure evil, we got V that's why he changed later, so... I think all people discussed about it before, so I won't go into it again, as I said, we all should read more.

[Yorik]

Originally posted by MaiiyourCat:

Originally posted by Yorik:

How does that defeat the point that what he does is evil and wrong?

That Vergil can't control his devil inside, so it doesn't make him pure evil, we got V that's why he changed later, so... I think all people discussed about it before, so I won't go into it again, as I said, we all should read more.

I guarantee you don't actually believe that is an excuse. That's the point I'm making, the entire premise that it "depends on your perspective" is morally and logically flawed.

When we talk about evil people from history you're not going to argue "it's complicated and depends on your point of view, because even though he did bad things and killed people, even his own family, there were some good things about him, too, and he had good intentions for what he did. He just had a hard time controlling himself and reining in his delusions. I mean, he liked dogs and he liked art. That's something, right?"

You're not making this argument because there's actually a justifiable relativist perspective on this person and their actions, you're doing it because he's a cool fantasy character from a video game you like and there are no actual stakes to it. There's no world where someone doing anything like the stuff Virgil does would ever be justifiable no matter what your perspective is, unless maybe if you're a literal demon.

Even the "He changed later!!!" He "changes" every game and yet he's always the bad guy. I bet some way or another he'll be a villain in the next game, because we can't end a game without an epic showdown with Virgil anymore. It's legally forbidden.

[MaiiyourCat]

Originally posted by Yorik:

Originally posted by MaiiyourCat:

That Vergil can't control his devil inside, so it doesn't make him pure evil, we got V that's why he changed later, so... I think all people discussed about it before, so I won't go into it again, as I said, we all should read more.

I guarantee you don't actually believe that is an excuse. That's the point I'm making, the entire premise that it "depends on your perspective" is morally and logically flawed.

When we talk about evil people from history you're not going to argue "it's complicated and depends on your point of view, because even though he did bad things and killed people, even his own family, there were some good things about him, too, and he had good intentions for what he did. He just had a hard time controlling himself and reining in his delusions. I mean, he liked dogs and he liked art. That's something, right?"

You're not making this argument because there's actually a justifiable relativist perspective on this person and their actions, you're doing it because he's a cool fantasy character from a video game you like and there are no actual stakes to it. There's no world where someone doing anything like the stuff Virgil does would ever be justifiable no matter what your perspective is, unless maybe if you're a literal demon.

Even the "He changed later!!!" He "changes" every game and yet he's always the bad guy. I bet some way or another he'll be a villain in the next game, because we can't end a game without an epic showdown with Virgil anymore. It's legally forbidden.

I'd argue, but as I said it was all told before already. Plus not everybody can think the same like you do for example. Point of view yes, you can have different point of view on the situation like me or someone else. Everybody can and no one can think like you do about certain things.
You say " if someone could do these bad things in our real world" or "from history" hey hey, in our history were bad people who killed other people but there is one problem. They aren't half-demons, I don't know if people know it. And the problem is that our real world don't have devils who can control people, if in the real world would be devils who can do this and do bad things, then I can say the same as I said about Vergil just some time ago, but you don't get the dmc concept, you compare it to reality where is no monsters and evil devils. But in this case we have human plus demon and demons are evil. But this is fiction not reality.
But about ending, you compare dmc3 to dmc5? Vergil didn't had any changes in dmc3 in his behavior, in dmc5 dante and vergil were in "peace" and they reconciled, but this is in the plot, all because of mr V.

[PetroSeraph]

Vergil needs a hug, and that's also a fact.

[⛧Jᴀᴄᴏʙ⛧]

Originally posted by PetroSeraph:

Vergil needs a hug, and that's also a fact.

They all need it, but vergil the most. The most misunderstood character

[PJ]

Vergil's not evil, he's dumb. Like he's the biggest dumbest idiot. He could have just gone to Dante and been like "Dante I'm dying bro, can you help me out?" and then bam, he has Dante and all of Dante's friends helping him with his issue. Nero would literally have handed over the Yamato to help. Everyone would have been super psyched that Vergil was asking for help, they would have probably thrown him a party over it. Instead he nuked a city. What a moron.

[aka]

@PJ when I see you, you make me so UwU

[aka]

Originally posted by ⛧Jᴀᴄᴏʙ⛧:

Originally posted by PetroSeraph:

Vergil needs a hug, and that's also a fact.

They all need it, but vergil the most. The most misunderstood character

True.
+ I want hug too <3

[Supada]

dante who wantd fight w/ him. he'd help to take him to another side

[Dekoma]

i don't really see vergil as evil imo. just that his search for power is extremely flawed and that it causes thousands of deaths on his way to said power. temi-ni-gru happened because he wanted the sword his father locked away for more power, so he joined arkham's cause just to get it. not caring that it ends up killing thousands of people in the process. same in 5. his lust for power blinds him from the people it ends up hurting. like when he tore off nero's arm just to get the yamato back and completely ignoring that nero is his son (i feel like vergil was looking at the ground the entire time he did that). he only cared about his survival at that point so he can live to put his new power scheme to the test.

[MaiiyourCat]

Originally posted by Dekoma:

i don't really see vergil as evil imo. just that his search for power is extremely flawed and that it causes thousands of deaths on his way to said power. temi-ni-gru happened because he wanted the sword his father locked away for more power, so he joined arkham's cause just to get it. not caring that it ends up killing thousands of people in the process. same in 5. his lust for power blinds him from the people it ends up hurting. like when he tore off nero's arm just to get the yamato back and completely ignoring that nero is his son (i feel like vergil was looking at the ground the entire time he did that). he only cared about his survival at that point so he can live to put his new power scheme to the test.

I agree with it but Vergil didn't know at the beginning of dmc5 that nero is his son, he thought it can be dante's I guess. Later V found out it and Vergil even asked it later, so at the end of the game Vergil had different approach to Nero, he even ordered him not to interfere between Dante and his business, but nero was very stubborn

[aka]

Originally posted by MaiiyourCat:

Originally posted by Dekoma:

i don't really see vergil as evil imo. just that his search for power is extremely flawed and that it causes thousands of deaths on his way to said power. temi-ni-gru happened because he wanted the sword his father locked away for more power, so he joined arkham's cause just to get it. not caring that it ends up killing thousands of people in the process. same in 5. his lust for power blinds him from the people it ends up hurting. like when he tore off nero's arm just to get the yamato back and completely ignoring that nero is his son (i feel like vergil was looking at the ground the entire time he did that). he only cared about his survival at that point so he can live to put his new power scheme to the test.

I agree with it but Vergil didn't know at the beginning of dmc5 that nero is his son, he thought it can be dante's I guess. Later V found out it and Vergil even asked it later, so at the end of the game Vergil had different approach to Nero, he even ordered him not to interfere between Dante and his business, but nero was very stubborn

Vergil should know Nero isn't his brother's kid because dante is a virgin UwU

[MaiiyourCat]

Originally posted by aka:

Originally posted by MaiiyourCat:

I agree with it but Vergil didn't know at the beginning of dmc5 that nero is his son, he thought it can be dante's I guess. Later V found out it and Vergil even asked it later, so at the end of the game Vergil had different approach to Nero, he even ordered him not to interfere between Dante and his business, but nero was very stubborn

Vergil should know Nero isn't his brother's kid because dante is a virgin UwU

LOL

[Ω Arkandor]

yes, he commited mass murder 2 times for selfish reasons and pretty much got away with it without much downsides (at least for the last time as of dmc5).

[MaiiyourCat]

Originally posted by Ω Arkandor:

yes, he commited mass murder 2 times for selfish reasons and pretty much got away with it without much downsides (at least for the last time as of dmc5).

Not him, but his devil half. As his both halves, whole Vergil isn't pure evil and never was. If people knew the whole plot and Vergil's character, it would be easier