Was Vergil really evil

[Yoticos]

What do you think?

[Dadpool]

Vergil did nothing wrong.

[WhiteAngel7]

It depends on how you perceive Vergil. Devil May Cry series isn’t black-and-white and obviously everyone has a different perspective. I will elaborate a bit.
I see it this way; It can be recognized that Vergil's alignment is/was Lawful Evil, in short, he generally does what he wants to achieve his goals, whether it's good or bad, based on his own code or believes. I also think that Vergil's reason wasn't just to seek power to defeat Dante, because it's quite shallow for such a character. I think that Vergil (just like Dante) probably resents their father that there was no one to protect them when the demons attacked their family when they were little. Their mother hid Dante and ran to look for him and she got killed. In these times Vergil had to save himself alone and couldn’t warn his family on time, so after that I think Vergil was convinced that no one would help him anyway, the only one who can protect him is he himself, hence his desire for power, just like he said "…without strength, you cannot protect anything.” Seeing how traumatized Vergil was (with Dante as well), he wanted to build "a shell" around himself.

Vergil abandoned his human heritage and only accepted his demonic, where Dante was the opposite. I think that rejection of humanity could make an influence on Vergil too, because of the fact that demons have an evil nature themselves (with exceptions like Sparda). Before the events in DMC3, I believe that Vergil had moments of some normality with Nero’s mother. Maybe there would be a chance in this woman to get Vergil to sort himself out, but his searching for more power just consumed him totally. I can't tell.

In DMC5, his human half V realized how many bad things he did as Vergil and what atrocities his demon half is doing now, so it started to make me wonder that maybe Vergil didn't have much control over himself earlier, because as I mentioned, he rejected his human side, so this "V” couldn't talk some sense into him. On the other hand, maybe he knew what he was doing, but then why only V, who could look at everything clearly, understood it later.

There are also a few questions. Did Vergil want to save himself, so he separated his human and demon halves and thought that his demon half would be alone strong enough to defeat Dante? Did he know what Urizen would do to gain more power? Everyone can only speculate.
However, let's make one thing clear: Vergil had no intention of killing people in the first place. It wasn't his goal. He was indifferent to their existence, although V saved the mother and child himself and it was selfless (Visions of V~ manga).
Finally, Vergil accepted his human heritage and along with Dante no longer intended to kill each other. Instead of that they make a sparring in Hell while talking like siblings again.

To sum up, is he evil or isn’t he? I would say maybe lost. Vergil is the most misunderstood character in the entire series, but these are my conclusions, everyone can have a different opinion and think the opposite. For me Vergil isn’t a vilian, but he is an anti-hero. Although it doesn't mean that Nero and Dante are completely good and pure characters. They may have good hearts, but they also have their own issues.

[LCpl Nubcake]

Vergil was insecure and as the case of DMC5, desperate for power in order to survive. He'll use whatever means to gain power, but it doesn't necessarily make him evil, just amoral. His reasoning for power is more about overcoming past tragedies and living up to a legacy. Take that away and couple that with a newfound purpose with Nero, Vergil has no real reason to be a villain again.

[Nödt]

Very well spotted.

[Buckingham Joe]

Yeah, based on his actions, selfish motives, lack of accountability, and remorse, I'd say he is.

Just because he doesn't see a problem with what he does to accomplish his selfish goals, or if that's not his intention or straight up doesn't even give a crap, doesn't mean he's not a monstrous character that does evil deeds every time he gets brought back.
Is he misunderstood? Yes. Is he a troubled man, traumatized, and alone? Sure as hell he is. That doesn't excuse committing genocide twice; be aware of committing genocide twice, undoing Sparda's seal and basically his legacy, not caring about it, and pretty much getting away with it... twice.

As far as we saw in the ending of DMC 5, he still didn't seem to give that much of a crap about the fact that thousands, if not millions of innocents were still dying on his behalf despite already achieving his goal of not only survival but also ultimate power with the whole "iF YoU WaNT ThE YaMaTO thEn yOu'LL HavE TO takE iT xd UwU" line that leads into the M19 boss fight bruh.
He only started "caring" after he was forced to COOPERATE via ass whooping.

Let me ask you this: if humans (his main victims in mass) were aware of who did what TWICE BTW, do you think they'd give a ♥♥♥♥ about his boohoo crybaby ass backstory the same way we do and try to justify his blatant wrongdoings with? HELLL NO, they'd freak out, and freaking try to lynch the dude; they'd ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ try to obliterate his dumb ass (emphasis on "try" lmao). In the eyes of the humans whose lives he either took by killing them or ruined by taking away someone important to them, they'd just see him as what he really is: yet another monstrous demon like the thousands we kill in-game. The only difference is that this one has a pretty face and a banger soundtrack.

Given the context we have of him, he doesn't seem like the mustache-twirling, evil mastermind kind; he's no Judge Holden, obviously. But his actions and inactions rooted in misguidance and selfishness do certainly earn him the title of "evil" due to the consequences those actions and inactions lead to, his lack of care for them, and the lack of care towards the human world that his own father fought so hard to protect. I don't care what anyone says; the next act in Vergil's life should be one of repentance and ultimately redemption, no matter what (which I doubt it will be because the games barely dive into this kind of stuff; hell, they barely dive into anything that isn't related to the wacky antics our characters go through despite there being massive plot holes in the lore and writing).

[Dark Slayer]

Originally posted by Decanaue:

Vergil did nothing wrong.

Of course.

[Dark Slayer]

Originally posted by WhiteAngel7:

To sum up, is he evil or isn’t he? I would say maybe lost. Vergil is the most misunderstood character in the entire series, but these are my conclusions, everyone can have a different opinion and think the opposite. For me Vergil isn’t a vilian, but he is an anti-hero. Although it doesn't mean that Nero and Dante are completely good and pure characters. They may have good hearts, but they also have their own issues.

You know too much about me.... too much for me to let you live..... but I won't kill you, so you will stay with me forever.

[k-ricks]

Virgil is not a good guy Nor does he care about evil

[PetroSeraph]

Originally posted by mmm uhhgn:

He only started "caring" after he was forced to COOPERATE via ass whooping.

Vergil would beat Nero. He didn't kill him 'cause something bothered him that this was his kid. Emotions? I guess he has them too. He wanted to find out why Nero want to stop them and motives of his actions and how much power he has, "and you came here just for that?" If it meant Vergil's life, he would give it 110% of his power to survive

Originally posted by mmm uhhgn:

Let me ask you this: if humans (his main victims in mass) were aware of who did what TWICE

Second time it was Urizen.

Originally posted by mmm uhhgn:

yet another monstrous demon like the thousands we kill in-game. The only difference is that this one has a pretty face and a banger soundtrack.

Vergil still have his human half which is good. He was like this 'cause he never accepted his good side V.

Originally posted by mmm uhhgn:

Given the context we have of him, he doesn't seem like the mustache-twirling, evil mastermind kind; he's no Judge Holden, obviously. But his actions and inactions rooted in misguidance and selfishness do certainly earn him the title of "evil" due to the consequences those actions and inactions lead to, his lack of care for them, and the lack of care towards the human world that his own father fought so hard to protect. I don't care what anyone says; the next act in Vergil's life should be one of repentance and ultimately redemption, no matter what (which I doubt it will be because the games barely dive into this kind of stuff; hell, they barely dive into anything that isn't related to the wacky antics our characters go through despite there being massive plot holes in the lore and writing).

Trapped in the Underworld with Dante is the biggest punishment for Vergil. Okay they have fun there, jokes aside, they can use Yamato and just leave the Underworld 100%. But Vergil spent about 20 years as Nelo Angelo. So this will be enough for him as a punishment.
Second thing as I said Vergil didn't make a mess, that time Urizen did, evil itself.
Nobody cares about people in this game. Dante care of his own buissness, Nero didn't help people from being killed by Qliphoth roots, 'cause he cared more of his own faliure when fighting Urizen, and he belongs to the Order of the sword, not so friendly organization.
Vergil is still aware what happened, because V admited what a mess Urizen did. But Vergil won't admit it to Dante "yes brother thats my bad" because Vergil is too pround to do this to his little bro. That would never happen.
But people can be worse evil than devils themselves. Dmc doesn't have heroes.
I agree the game don't care about whats good or not, many things are unexplained they want us to understand it for ourselves depends on morals.

[PetroSeraph]

Originally posted by LCpl Nubcake:

Vergil was insecure and as the case of DMC5, desperate for power in order to survive. He'll use whatever means to gain power, but it doesn't necessarily make him evil, just amoral. His reasoning for power is more about overcoming past tragedies and living up to a legacy. Take that away and couple that with a newfound purpose with Nero, Vergil has no real reason to be a villain again.

I agree, I think that Nero could be the reason to stop his actions later, despite what Vergil said to Dante, 'cause he won't admit it

[NeroZero]

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[aka]

Originally posted by Dark Slayer:

Originally posted by WhiteAngel7:

To sum up, is he evil or isn’t he? I would say maybe lost. Vergil is the most misunderstood character in the entire series, but these are my conclusions, everyone can have a different opinion and think the opposite. For me Vergil isn’t a vilian, but he is an anti-hero. Although it doesn't mean that Nero and Dante are completely good and pure characters. They may have good hearts, but they also have their own issues.

You know too much about me.... too much for me to let you live..... but I won't kill you, so you will stay with me forever.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[aka]

Originally posted by k-ricks:

Virgil is not a good guy Nor does he care about evil

he's like that unless he looks at everything differently from now

[Mr.]

Originally posted by WhiteAngel7:

It depends on how you perceive Vergil. Devil May Cry series isn’t black-and-white and obviously everyone has a different perspective. I will elaborate a bit.
I see it this way; It can be recognized that Vergil's alignment is/was Lawful Evil, in short, he generally does what he wants to achieve his goals, whether it's good or bad, based on his own code or believes. I also think that Vergil's reason wasn't just to seek power to defeat Dante, because it's quite shallow for such a character. I think that Vergil (just like Dante) probably resents their father that there was no one to protect them when the demons attacked their family when they were little. Their mother hid Dante and ran to look for him and she got killed. In these times Vergil had to save himself alone and couldn’t warn his family on time, so after that I think Vergil was convinced that no one would help him anyway, the only one who can protect him is he himself, hence his desire for power, just like he said "…without strength, you cannot protect anything.” Seeing how traumatized Vergil was (with Dante as well), he wanted to build "a shell" around himself.

Vergil abandoned his human heritage and only accepted his demonic, where Dante was the opposite. I think that rejection of humanity could make an influence on Vergil too, because of the fact that demons have an evil nature themselves (with exceptions like Sparda). Before the events in DMC3, I believe that Vergil had moments of some normality with Nero’s mother. Maybe there would be a chance in this woman to get Vergil to sort himself out, but his searching for more power just consumed him totally. I can't tell.

In DMC5, his human half V realized how many bad things he did as Vergil and what atrocities his demon half is doing now, so it started to make me wonder that maybe Vergil didn't have much control over himself earlier, because as I mentioned, he rejected his human side, so this "V” couldn't talk some sense into him. On the other hand, maybe he knew what he was doing, but then why only V, who could look at everything clearly, understood it later.

There are also a few questions. Did Vergil want to save himself, so he separated his human and demon halves and thought that his demon half would be alone strong enough to defeat Dante? Did he know what Urizen would do to gain more power? Everyone can only speculate.
However, let's make one thing clear: Vergil had no intention of killing people in the first place. It wasn't his goal. He was indifferent to their existence, although V saved the mother and child himself and it was selfless (Visions of V~ manga).
Finally, Vergil accepted his human heritage and along with Dante no longer intended to kill each other. Instead of that they make a sparring in Hell while talking like siblings again.

To sum up, is he evil or isn’t he? I would say maybe lost. Vergil is the most misunderstood character in the entire series, but these are my conclusions, everyone can have a different opinion and think the opposite. For me Vergil isn’t a vilian, but he is an anti-hero. Although it doesn't mean that Nero and Dante are completely good and pure characters. They may have good hearts, but they also have their own issues.

@WhiteAngel7 spits facts in a SSStylish way.

[2cide]

bros dont read.
didnt even pay attention when virgil had a bruh moment and said "if our places were swapped would we have still done the same thing"