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Heck Vergil gave Dante his Devil trigger even the DMC3 manga blatantly answered this. He knew that was the key to activate DT.
Sorry man but Vergil is mad pathetic in this game. Itsuno couldn't be even be creative and wrote that his corruption from Mundus could have muddled his mind going forward but nope.
What more could be done with Mundus? He had his ass handed to him already in 1, unless Vergil wants to get his just-desserts for what he did to him (Maybe that can happen in the 6th game, that's still somewhat of a loose thread). There was nothing else to do with Vergil as Nelo Angelo at that point.
V is manipulative and he lies to Trish after she realizes he and Urizen aren't what they seem. He lets her believe his goal is to have Dante "right his wrong" by killing Urizen, so Trish will feel sorry for him and not warn Dante. When he talks to Urizen, he makes it clear that he shares Urizen's desire for power and the feeling of not wanting to lose to Dante. Many talk about V' "character development," but that’s just buying into the lies he tells Trish. Vergil goes ahead with his original plan of fighting Dante to the death after his time as V.
The issue is that Capcom wanted Nero to get credit for the reconciliation between the twins. However, Nero doesn't know Vergil or even Dante. This means they had to be totally determined to kill their own brother right until a kindergarten-tier lecture about the importance of playing nice. If Defeat Means Friendship is how Vergil rolls, then why is this entire plot even happening? (He also says earlier that a victory over someone who isn't in top condition isn’t legitimate to him.) And so the decades-long fratricidal conflict at the center of the story is abruptly ended without its underlying causes being resolved just because the parties involved were told to share their toys and eat their veggies. The ideological reasons for the conflict aren’t dealt with in a meaningful way.
Then look at actual Vergil's motivation which I think are best summarized in some quotes
"Interesting..."
―Vergil after being defeated by Nero
which I think contradicts
"My son... means nothing to me!"
―Vergil
and also
"That day, if our positions were switched... Would our fates be different? Would I have your life, and you mine? Let's settle this... Dante."
Vergil is someone who had to become the way he is, because of his fate.
He believes his life to have been a battle to avenge his parents. To do so, he sacrificed his every humane desire and embraced his demonic blood. In 5, he doubles down by literally sacrificing his own humanity.
The problem with Dante from Vergil's perspective, is that he embodies the fact that his actions are fundamentally wrong and can never award him the redemption he desires.
That's why they fight. That's why the entire premise of 5 is Vergil getting back at Dante.
It's not just a childish fight, it's Vergil's entire reason to exist.
But hey, if you prefer the "I'm superior to humans and they need to be ruled" vergil from the reboot? That's cool I guess lmao.
you play dmc for deep meaningful story you are a bit dense, its teen comic book anime hero power fantasy fulfillment stuff
I NEED TO BEAT DANTE SO IMMA CAUSE TWO MASS GENOCIDE TO DO JUST THAT. I HAVE A SON??? Lmao.
It's why I pointed out how Itsuno could have at least played around the fact that Vergil is STILL affected by the aftermath of the brainwashing from Mundus and isn't thinking straight. But no this is all clear conscience decision from him to cause a city wide mass genocide to get more power for the most pathetic squabble I have ever seen yet.
Also yeah I agree with your point about the conclusion.
Ignoring everything about the main game the Dante and Vergil team up is pretty nice, too bad the journey to get there is an awful ride for me.
Rule weak humans because they are weak, like children.
Vergil's motivation:
Be The King of Hot Garbage Parties.
Kick your younger brother's aSSS.
Summon a demon attack because you don't want to pay child support.
Meet your own son, who works for a charity supporting children demon attack victims foundation.
On Dante's side, when Urizen said "You dare approach me in this form," at first I thought he referred to the fact that Dante was always going on about humanity, yet the second he got his ass kicked, he went and fused himself with two overtly demonic objects for more power. But no, it's actually just the same "hoomanz weak" stuff spouted by every boss who can talk.
They could have made something of the SDT thing, e.g. show Dante rethinking his attitude to the demonic side of his heritage, at the same time Vergil understands he's less as a full demon. This, combined with the realization about the coincidence mentioned above, could have led to the distance between their outlooks narrowing in a legitimate way. But none of this actually happens. Canonically, they just suddenly abandoned "their entire reason to exist" because they got told nice kids don't fight. The "resolution" is absolutely predicated on the idea that this is indeed just a childish spat with no merit like @Sepulcher claims.
I wouldn’t call it an awful ride, but I wish it had been set up a bit so the reconciliation felt earned instead of what it actually felt like - abrupt and tacked on. The cutscene after the M20 boss fight legit made me go WTF, that about-face made St Paul’s conversion look like a gradual process.
People who say "it's DMC, dude" obviously have a point, it just seems like they were trying this time, instead of the usual Capcom excuse plot, which raises your expectations.
This is the canon explanation.
If anything, him having 1 sole motivation that is so narrow-minded and extreme that the average person can't understand the point is the most human thing about him. His goal is power, and that's what the point of the genocide in 5 was. The (not even gonna attempt to spell it) fruit demanded absurd amounts of blood, so he started a genocide to collect enough blood to make a fruit that would give him more power. That's all it is. His rivalry with Dante can be as deep as other people say, but I think its as simple as there being nothing else strong enough for him to compare his power to, which is why the second Nero slaps the hell out of Dante and shows how strong he is, Vergil instead pivots over to challenging Nero under the agreement with Dante that "If I beat him, that means I beat you". He just wants to beat the strongest person in the room, and until this point, he thought that was Dante.
I like how simple the motivation is, because its true to real life. Humans are prone to getting tunnel vision on the thing they are obsessed with, and being half human, he suffers from the same thing. His battle capabilities are completely un-relatable to anybody, but developing an obsession with something and going to absurd lengths to reach it at any cost is something almost anybody can understand.
V explaining that all Vergil ever wanted to do was defeat Dante was the final nail in the coffin. This game is ripe with retcons, and reframing Vergil's whole personality and goals in such a dismissive and stupid way is bad enough, but it's arguably not even the worst one.
That honor goes to Nell Goldstein, thanks to Nico's existence.
Nell Goldstein is a character from the DMC1 novel. Long story short, she was like an estranged mother figure to Dante. She puts up with him because he literally looks like her son, who had passed away as a child an undefined length of time prior to the events.
Let me repeat that: Nell had A SON who died AS A CHILD.
That's pretty much the essence of their relationship; Dante -- or rather, Tony Redgrave as he goes by -- reminds her a lot of his son and it's clear that she tries to keep him at arm's length for the whole story while still having some fondness for him.
Then, she dies in his arms shortly after teaching him how to assemble his trademark handguns -- which she designed specifically for him.
After she dies, Tony resigns his alias and takes up 'Dante' as his name again. I know the novel doesn't quite work as a backstory since DMC3 retconned it, but this game made the mistake of acknowledging her existence.
Then proceeded to smear her name in almost every way possible.
Not only does the existence of Nico make no sense as a granddaughter -- because Nell died without a family, not counting Tony -- the fact that freaking AGNUS from DMC4 is her father also makes no sense. This seemingly small change completely recontextualizes Nell's character. Now they're implying that either her son grew up, had a daughter, who then somehow ended up with Agnus, or something else entirely, they went even FURTHER by having Nico pointing at Ebony's portrait and say "That's her!"
The portraits on the handguns aren't characters. In fact, the one used on Ivory is also used in the original RE3's Clock Tower as just a background detail. They more than likely don't mean anything (only Kamiya has a say on that) and even if they do, they wouldn't be real characters. If I had to guess, they could've been the portraits of other notable women that Nell looked up to somehow and wanted to leave homages to them in the guns. Maybe they were ancestors. Or maybe they were just random choices. Who knows.
The point is, that portrait is NOT NELL. Look up the artwork used in the novel, Nell looks absolutely nothing like that.
All they had to do is establish that Nico was inspired by Nell. That would've been more than enough to establish her character, and her being Agnus's daughter would still make SOME sense.
Also they fixed the "ART WARKS" typo engraved into the handguns. That typo is and always has been, intentional. It was also on Nell's shop sign. Why? Because her son made the sign, and she kept it as a memento. Dante even teases her by asking "when are you going to get that sign fixed?" and she basically tells him to mind his own business. She doesn't tell him. But the fact that she engraved the typo into his guns to continue the legacy and memory of her late son speaks volumes.
As I said, they smeared Nell Goldstein's name in every way possible, and fixing the typo is further proof that these people simply. Don't. Care. About these characters or storytelling. And if you're thinking "haha the story doesn't matter" then, well done, you're just as bad as Itsuno and Bingo are. If you claim to love any one of these characters, shouldn't you also care about how well they're written?
Not sorry to all the "wacky pizza woohoo man" and "M O T I V A T E D" memers out there, you're part of the problem.
Don't even get me started on Rebellion/Yamato.