Nero gameplay in DMC5 is garbage

[Elden Ring]

i love nero. i loved playing him in DMC4. But i still don't get what they did with him in DMC5 with all this DEVIL BREAKERS garbage.

Definitely DMC5 miss the nero original gameplay flavor. Mostly cause of Devil Breakers importance in his gameplay
To me Nero should remain simple and Dante Complex. So add that level of useless complexity to Nero with the devil breakers was a stupid idea.

Some people will say "yOu aRe noT foRceD to use BrEakeRS"
well, yes but if you choose to not use them you lose a lot of Nero's power, and style becames harder to increase. Nico also becomes completely useless in term of story logic. So the game somehow widely force players to use the devil breakers.

Before someone comment "GNn yOu cAn sTilL d0 thE thinGs oF DmC4 u mOroN"
Yes you can,
But first you need to beat the whole game before get his "original" playstyle back and even after that, his gameplay is not the same and definitely not as cool than in DMC4 :
The ground and aerial buster animations was replaced by a slow weird gun shot animation and a wrestling hold that does not involve the devil bringer. These dmc4's animations were making a big part of the nervousness of the original gameplay of nero and they was completely removed from dmc5.

Those tiny details removed, and the complexity of devil breakers, makes his gameplay literrally 70% less fun than it was in DMC4 ...
They should just have give to nero an extra sword or a single devil breaker and keep the simple gameplay and the nices animations that it already had.

i invite everyone who disagree, to replay DMC4.

[Elden Ring]

Publicado originalmente por Blue_Glasses:

Afyer replaying dmc 4, i just realised what probably made you think dmc4 nero was more fun.
It's probably because a lot of the enemies in dmc4 are designed to be beaten with the bringer. While the enemies in dmc5 are mostly well designed and balanced for all 4 characters.

actual first good comment.
Yes, that's probably part of my bad feeling with Nero in dmc5

[AnimaTorze]

Publicado originalmente por Shoto:

Publicado originalmente por Blue_Glasses:

Afyer replaying dmc 4, i just realised what probably made you think dmc4 nero was more fun.
It's probably because a lot of the enemies in dmc4 are designed to be beaten with the bringer. While the enemies in dmc5 are mostly well designed and balanced for all 4 characters.

actual first good comment.
Yes, that's probably part of my bad feeling with Nero in dmc5

While I do agree that DMC 5 could’ve had more unique Buster moves, don’t you think you could’ve worded your thoughts way better, instead of like attacking everyone that replied to you lol

So, if I understand your complaint correctly, you don’t like DMC 5 Nero because 1) using the Exceed System doesn’t reward you that much Style Points, or rather, it doesn’t increase the Style Meter as quickly as DMC 4 Nero. Hence, “forcing you to use the Breakers”. That is understandable. Plus, the Exceed System in 5 is a bit “weaker”. If I recall, you can stun one of those armored knights with a Max Act in DMC 4. You can even break through their guard. However, you can’t do the same thing with the Angelos in 5. I mean you can, but not as effective as in 4. The Red Queen was literally the highlight of Nero’s movesets in DMC 4, but in 5, it was slightly nerfed down.

And 2) the Buster moves in 5 are not as flashy as 4. And pretty much every DMC players strongly agree with this one. The Bringer was not as cool as it use to be. Most of his moves were all slam dunks instead of unique animations. Heck, Cavaliere, Cerberus and Urizen have lazy, boring animations. And using DT barely made any difference on how the animations would act.

I still disagree with you that Nero’s play style is different. It’s the same, but it’s just harder to get SSS with the Red Queen and the Bringer alone in DMC 5. With the Breakers being the new thing for Nero, you do need these arms to get SSS quickly.

[Durandal]

Have you used the Tomboy? It's literally ridiculous how easy it gets you to SSS. It is the most disgusting out of the arms in terms of output.

[k-ricks]

Publicado originalmente por Shoto:

first you need to beat the whole game before get his "original" playstyle back and even after that, his gameplay is not the same and definitely not as cool than in DMC4 :

if you choose to not use them you lose a lot of Nero's power, and style becames harder to increase. Nico also becomes completely useless in term of story logic.

then Nico isn't completely useless in term of story logic.because you need to beat game first and Nero like Breaker in cutscene that you did saw on the first run

in term of power Red Queen's hard way deal much dmg as breaker normal attack beside dmd you can melt everything quick without the use of breaker to reset enemy down state

Style yeah without Breaker it's harder to get SSS but most people don't care about it

and yeah 4 have cooler Bringer animation but then again Nero gameplay in 5 isn't garbage

[rich]

ur just bad

[Elden Ring]

Publicado originalmente por haji:

ur just bad

see ?

[Elden Ring]

Publicado originalmente por Durandal:

Have you used the Tomboy? It's literally ridiculous how easy it gets you to SSS. It is the most disgusting out of the arms in terms of output.

i like tomboy and in the same time doesnt like it.
it's cool to use but the animation, the fact that it lock some other nero moves when you use it , and the fact it can break. are still too big downside compared to the advantages of this breaker

Also in DMC4 when you play as "super nero" you have max-act all the time and it looks and feels even better than tomboy in DMC5

[Elden Ring]

Publicado originalmente por k-ricks:

then Nico isn't completely useless in term of story logic.because you need to beat game first and Nero like Breaker in cutscene that you did saw on the first run

yeah but isn't it weird to play without any breaker and then see cutscene with nero wearing a breaker ? or Nico building it. while i don't need or use them ? i don't know
maybe you are right it's not that a big deal. i mean the cutscenes are still super cool to watch.

Publicado originalmente por k-ricks:

Style yeah without Breaker it's harder to get SSS but most people don't care about it...
and yeah 4 have cooler Bringer animation but then again Nero gameplay in 5 isn't garbage

yeah sure the garbage title was more phishing, like "it's not that good" rather than "absolute true garbage" im 100 % sure some people falled in love with breakers in dmc5
it's just not my case, because i love Bringer animation of DMC4

[Elden Ring]

even the sounds and voice of nero in DMC4 when he use snatch and bringer was better . in DMC5 the cools animations was removed , but some most of his cool sounds too...

when i listen to nero from dmc5 i always hear him bragging a lot....
while in dmc4 he was bragging a lot in cutscenes, but during games fights he was just super mad and angry in his voice.

[Elden Ring]

Publicado originalmente por AnimaTorze:

So, if I understand your complaint correctly, you don’t like DMC 5 Nero because 1) using the Exceed System doesn’t increase the Style Meter as quickly as DMC 4 Nero. Hence, “forcing you to use the Breakers”. That is understandable.

yes

Publicado originalmente por AnimaTorze:

Plus, the Exceed System in 5 is a bit “weaker”. If I recall, you can stun one of those armored knights with a Max Act in DMC 4. You can even break through their guard. However, you can’t do the same thing with the Angelos in 5.

yes

Publicado originalmente por AnimaTorze:

And 2) the Buster moves in 5 are not as flashy as 4. And pretty much every DMC players strongly agree with this one. The Bringer was not as cool as it use to be. Most of his moves were all slam dunks instead of unique animations. Heck, Cavaliere, Cerberus and Urizen have lazy, boring animations. And using DT barely made any difference on how the animations would act.

YES !!!

[PJ]

Well, they don't call him Dead Weight for nothing.

[LbISbIy]

Publicado originalmente por AnimaTorze:

The Red Queen was literally the highlight of Nero’s movesets in DMC 4, but in 5, it was slightly nerfed down.

DMC 5 DMD enemies and bosses just have more HP.
And DMD aura appears much faster.
This allows you to perform longer and cooler Exceed combos.
And it's only for the best)

Publicado originalmente por AnimaTorze:

The Bringer was not as cool as it use to be. Most of his moves were all slam dunks instead of unique animations.

DMC 4 Nero has a couple of spectacular Boss throws.
But of the really interesting throws, only the throw of Angelo Agnus and Alto Angelo (German Suplex/Rolling German Suplex DT version) can be distinguished.
Basically, Nero only hits, slams the ground, or spins the enemy.

DMC 5 Nero has similar throws.
But Nero also has his own versions of:
Powerbomb;
Fisherman Buster/Brainbuster;
Armbar;
Moonlight Drive;
Guillotine Choke;
...

All these movements look stylish, cool and powerful.
It's checked up by time and experience.
DMC 5 Nero is a real encyclopedia of various cool throws.

Not bad for dead weight)

[7K]

Publicado originalmente por AnimaTorze:

Publicado originalmente por Shoto:

actual first good comment.
Yes, that's probably part of my bad feeling with Nero in dmc5

While I do agree that DMC 5 could’ve had more unique Buster moves, don’t you think you could’ve worded your thoughts way better, instead of like attacking everyone that replied to you lol

So, if I understand your complaint correctly, you don’t like DMC 5 Nero because 1) using the Exceed System doesn’t reward you that much Style Points, or rather, it doesn’t increase the Style Meter as quickly as DMC 4 Nero. Hence, “forcing you to use the Breakers”. That is understandable. Plus, the Exceed System in 5 is a bit “weaker”. If I recall, you can stun one of those armored knights with a Max Act in DMC 4. You can even break through their guard. However, you can’t do the same thing with the Angelos in 5. I mean you can, but not as effective as in 4. The Red Queen was literally the highlight of Nero’s movesets in DMC 4, but in 5, it was slightly nerfed down.

And 2) the Buster moves in 5 are not as flashy as 4. And pretty much every DMC players strongly agree with this one. The Bringer was not as cool as it use to be. Most of his moves were all slam dunks instead of unique animations. Heck, Cavaliere, Cerberus and Urizen have lazy, boring animations. And using DT barely made any difference on how the animations would act.

I still disagree with you that Nero’s play style is different. It’s the same, but it’s just harder to get SSS with the Red Queen and the Bringer alone in DMC 5. With the Breakers being the new thing for Nero, you do need these arms to get SSS quickly.

In my experience the Exceed system in DMC5 is pretty much the same as in DMC4 if not slightly better when it comes to rising the Style meter and if we consider the new RQ moves then I don't think "nerfed" fits very well. The only thing that come to mind that makes DMC5's RQ feels weaker is the lack of camera shake while hitting enemies with exceeded attacks. That being said, Shoto didn't know any of this since he never played beyond one playthrough in DMC5(or possibly never finishing one) and the same could be said about his DMC4 playthrough. If he did then he wouldn't need anyone to spell things out for him and he would've had way better time expressing himself instead of spouting nonsense in nearly every post he makes.

[Falcão † GOD BLESS THE USA!]

Yea this guy sucks.

[Elden Ring]

Publicado originalmente por 7K:

Shoto didn't know any of this since he never played beyond one playthrough in DMC5(or possibly never finishing one) and the same could be said about his DMC4 playthrough. If he did then he wouldn't need anyone to spell things out for him

dear god ...
i finished both games twice and I know all the lines of nero and can tell you all the references to DMC4 in DMC5 . if i must admit that i don't learn the names of all the habilites. That doesn't mean i don't know the habilities or how to use them.

Also, you really should stop basing your argument on criticism of other people's skills.
it's not a valid argument, it's just pejorative and toxic.
I don't need to finish every mission in the game with a "Smokin' Sick Style" to be able to compare the difference between dmc5 and dmc4. Even more if it's about animations and general feeling

I can cite plenty of examples of games where I am 100% better than you and where I destroy you. and if you would open your toxic mouth about those game to speak about a subective point. you wouldn't appreciate that anything you say about these games you played would automatically be considered as wrong. Only because I'm better than you and i doesnt agree.
even more if it's about animations and general feeling