I wanna hear your theories. *SPOILERS*

[Saint Wolf]

Can someone please explain to me what the fok just happened?

Off topic but may I ask why in the fok Vergil and Dante were fighting for this time? I finished the game and I can understand, take the Yamato, use it to close the current portal with the underworld, but beyond that what else does Vergil has to fight for with Dante? After being defeated by Nero, Dante says they still have a score to settle.

Recap: in Devil May Cry 3 it was for the medallion Dante had to break the seal that kept the underworld from accessible and go there for the Force Edge, combine it with the the medallions and release the power of Sparda and rule the underworld and the human world

In this game, closing the portal would require the Yamato but beyond that… what else does Vergil has to get into fights with Dante? He already fused himself, the Rebellion and the Sparda, so he can't have the medallions (or so I belive), in fact, since his plans were to keep the Cliphoth, the fact that Vergil complied with Nero and Dante sound crazier since it was his plan to bring the damn tree, and now he's complying to close it. Unless he just wants to not get beaten the crap out of him and avoid Nero for awkward talk and keep the "how you were made" story off, I don't see why Vergil cooperated or what reason he's got to fight with Dante in the next game.

[Ding]

Their battle won't end, but I can't get it. Really, Dante beated his twin bro in DMC3, lost him, fight him as Nero Angelo, finds his son and now fights him again. This is just stupid consider how sad Dante looked at the end of DMC3, when he couldn't save Vergil. Now Dante pushes yet another fight while could reunite as a family of three.

[Anderson Pig]

Stupid demon brothers fight over nothing.

[Wolfie]

It's a lousy rip off of the 'fighting brothers' dynamic. Look at Thor in Avengers, for example. This is nothing new.

Also, the whole 'my dad chopped my hand off' is ripped straight from Star Wars. Even the 'wait, you're my father?' angle. So dumb

[f001er]

Vergil never cared about ruling anything, neither underworld nor human world. All he wanted was POWER and to surpass everyone, especially Dante and be the strongest. He didn't care about the tree once he ate the fruit.

Now for why he complied to Nero and the whole ending is really feel rushed and badly explained, but basically V said that he really wanted to be loved and protected deep inside, and his obsession with POWER is just him wanting attention and acknowledgement, that he didn't get during his childhood. And Nero's desire to kick his ass to save him and Dante, as well as Dante going with him in the underworld this time kinda mellowed him down, since these things are what he deeply desired.

Still i wish there were a better ending, he is still kinda bad guy who did a lot of bad stuff and killed a lot of people and i dont believe that all of his problems were solved in the end. Really wish Capcom will add some closure to his and Dante stories.

[Saint Wolf]

I still don't get why after the fusion of V and Urizen they still fought. Is like, this time Dante pushed the fight. I mean, villain monologs are very stupid buuuuut… I WANT A VILLAIN MONOLOGUE DOG GAMMIT, I wanna know what are Vergil's plans. Just let the Cliphoth destroy the world? Make it grow another fruit? Just do nothing because doing something would require someone to go to the underworld with his sword?

And how is it they could be sealed in the Underworld? The Yamato can open the portal from the human world but it can't close it from that same end? I mean, it's not stupid logic, it's believable, just convenient for the plot.

What I mean is, there was no reason for them to fight, this one was unjustified beyond "Give me the Yamato to close the portal" and "you'll have to take it". The only sound explanation I can come up with is "you won't strip me from MY sword, sure, you wouldn't have to take it away if I wasn't a complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron and tried destroying your world. Like… I feel this situation could have been defused wirh "can you close the portal from here?" because I was left legitimately wondering what were Vergil's plans.

[Wings]

"Big bro got beaten by lil' bro so big bro gotta beat lil' bro to show who's boss."

Vergil has always just wanted more power and him losing to Dante means that he doesn't have absolute power. Vergil will keep fighting until Dante no longer can.

Vergil's goal has always been to defeat Dante.

[Shotgundam009]

Yeah it doesn't really make sense why they're fighting at this point besides him being a fun boss lol. I thought V was gonna have more to do with Mundus since he controlled dmc1 enemies and do some resurrection shenanigans.

[One Stoned Bastard]

Originally posted by TheBitwolf:

Can someone please explain to me what the♥♥♥♥♥just happened?

I have absolutely no idea.

It looked cool though.

[Walter C. Dornez]

Vergil always wanted to surpass his father and brother, they fought each other when they were younger too. Even in the DMC 3 manga they battle just for the sake of It, Dante says he thought Vergil was dead, but also mocks him just like he always does.

He cares about his brother, but they will always have that feeling of beating each other until one loses. Though in the end of DMC 5, they battle not only to see who is stronger, but also because they really can't leave hell for now, they need to pass the time ya know xD

[f001er]

Originally posted by TheBitwolf:

I still don't get why after the fusion of V and Urizen they still fought. Is like, this time Dante pushed the fight. I mean, villain monologs are very stupid buuuuut… I WANT A VILLAIN MONOLOGUE DOG GAMMIT, I wanna know what are Vergil's plans. Just let the Cliphoth destroy the world? Make it grow another fruit? Just do nothing because doing something would require someone to go to the underworld with his sword?

And how is it they could be sealed in the Underworld? The Yamato can open the portal from the human world but it can't close it from that same end? I mean, it's not stupid logic, it's believable, just convenient for the plot.

What I mean is, there was no reason for them to fight, this one was unjustified beyond "Give me the Yamato to close the portal" and "you'll have to take it". The only sound explanation I can come up with is "you won't strip me from MY sword, sure, you wouldn't have to take it away if I wasn't a complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron and tried destroying your world. Like… I feel this situation could have been defused wirh "can you close the portal from here?" because I was left legitimately wondering what were Vergil's plans.

They fought for the same reason they fought in 3rd game, the same reason they fought when Vergil was nelo angelo, Vergil want to beat Dante, this desire of his never really changed. His plans wasn't to destroy the world, he literally didn't care about tree once he ate the fruit, the only reason he was waiting there is because he knew Dante would come to him and they will fight. So, their reason to fight, Dante of course wants to save the world and Vergil wants to fight Dante, as he always wanted.

As for how could they be sealed in the Underworld i dunno, they shouldn't be with Yamato. This one is definitely plot hole. But even without Yamato there are plenty of ways to escape from there, so i dunno why Nero was losing his ♥♥♥♥ at the end.

[george47mathew]

Dante and Vergil at this point are fighting out of pure habit. Vergil originally disliked Dante coz maybe he thought his mother left him behind...so the bitterness. But deep down through V, we can see Vergil still loves his mom, even though to him, she left him behind, but he does not know the truth.

Dont forget! If Vergil wanted Dante dead...he had him for keeps in the beginning. Vergil wants to defeat Dante, not kill. He had sooooo many chances to kill Dante and Lady.

Also Vergil at this point has no idea what he is fighting for.

[Saint Wolf]

Originally posted by Shotgundam009:

Yeah it doesn't really make sense why they're fighting at this point besides him being a fun boss lol. I thought V was gonna have more to do with Mundus since he controlled dmc1 enemies and do some resurrection shenanigans.

Oh I wished the same, I was hoping he'd be an autonomus character instead of a half assed Vergil macguffin thingie that was for this game only. And I've won (let's not count the amount of times I played it to get there) that fight with Vergil like 4 times because he's just a lot of fun.

[Saint Wolf]

Originally posted by Walter C. Dornez:

Though in the end of DMC 5, they battle not only to see who is stronger, but also because they really can't leave hell for now, they need to pass the time ya know xD

That's what I thought, and I'm sure you could use the power of the two medallions, Sparda, Rebellion and Yamato and make at least one stable portal for the two to cross easily.

[Saint Wolf]

Originally posted by george47mathew:

Also Vergil at this point has no idea what he is fighting for.

Matew spok trus

[Takoita]

It is my personal interpretation that Vergil and Dante stabbing each other is just their normal mode of conversation.

Imagine growing up with a brother your own age, only any and all fights you might get into don't have any lasting consequences because both of you regenerate anything and everything in minutes, if not seconds. What would that do a person's psyche? The realisation that other people can get hurt, or even die, because of your actions, deliberate or otherwise, would develop much later than normal, if at all.

Thus, I feel, the brothers' really immature approach to their habitual duels. They are having a decades long pissing contest and are having fun while doing it. Hundreds of thousands horribly dead because of the sudden demon world incursion into human world? Issues with estranged family? Who cares, let's see who can out-style who this time! They even find an excuse to chicken out on any awkwardness with Nero and Kyrie via transdimensional travel. Even though they have Yamato right there and could cut their way back out right away.

The narration and Nero's reaction in the tail end sequence seem to imply they were in serious risk to killing each other, but I do not think it bears out, especially considering how both just pant a little, get up and dust off like nothng happened in the ending. So it was my conclusion that it was just Nero's fears, in context of his previous loss of family for nonsense reasons he mentions just before the big moment, that formed because of either him getting a skewed impression of what was going on due to hurried explanation, or V deliberately slanting what he said to him while one on one.

Now, back in 3 it was not just about fun. Vergil was upset that Dante wasn't taking getting better seriously and essentially forced him into devil trigger activation. And Dante realised that while power for power's sake wasn't his thing, he certainly needed some to do the stuff he really wanted to in his life.

But since Vergil was successfully reconstituted after this disaster, it is now time for celebration! Via prolonged duels and ganging up on all comers in the demon world, of course.