Opinion - Nero at the end is still weaker than Urizen

[wetblues]

Probably at normal dante dt level at best but that is even being generous

[wetblues]

Kibarussell eredeti hozzászólása:

Nah considering Nero was actually able to make Urizen get off his seat while Dante couldn't speaks volumes of how strong he is now.

This is while Nero had almost no demon power at all and while Dante even had his father's sword.

I feel like people underestimate Nero because he is more human than Dante and Vergil. Is he weaker than current Dante and Vergil? Yeah more than likely, but DMC 3 Dante and Vergil? Nah that's lowballing him.

Like i said before urizen attacked dante while he didnt attack nero. Urizens stood up because he found nero's presence insulting not because he took him seriously. People do not underestimate nero. Dante and vergil in dmc 3 were overpowered. Nero struggled against average bosses. Vergil killed beowulf in one slice who actually damaged dante.
Nero only has the bringer which isnt touching vergil or dante. He clearly improved by dmc 5 but it is clear vergil in fortuna would still beat him.

[Kibarussell]

1. Wtf you mean Urizen never tried to attack Nero? In the prologue Nero was sent flying into a wall. Urizen obviously did that and Urizen will obviously attack you if you attack him. Hell Urizen was gonna hit Nero with a fireball before Dante got back up and helped. Watch the prologue again man.

2. True Urizen never took Nero seriously but guess what? Urizen didn't take Dante seriously until he got SDT. Before that Urizen beat him down without even getting up from his seat. And again Nero got a hit in which Dante could not do at the time so what's the excuse for that? (INB4 "plot")

3. When has Nero ever struggled against average bosses in DMC 4 or 5 outside of Dante or Vergil? Echidna, Berial, and Bael didn't seem to give him any trouble at all. He beat Berial and Bael before he got his original DT and didn't even seem exhausted. Credo didn't seem to give him any trouble. Agnus had to blindside Nero with help from his knights. Heck even in his first battle with Sanctus the dude had to use Kyrie in order to beat Nero. Unless you wanna count these guys fighting dirty as struggling then yeah he struggled, but when someone uses similar tactics against Dante, like Arkham for example, he didn't fair much better.

[wetblues]

Kibarussell eredeti hozzászólása:

1. Wtf you mean Urizen never tried to attack Nero? In the prologue Nero was sent flying into a wall. Urizen obviously did that and Urizen will obviously attack you if you attack him. Hell Urizen was gonna hit Nero with a fireball before Dante got back up and helped. Watch the prologue again man.

2. True Urizen never took Nero seriously but guess what? Urizen didn't take Dante seriously until he got SDT. Before that Urizen beat him down without even getting up from his seat. And again Nero got a hit in which Dante could not do at the time so what's the excuse for that? (INB4 "plot")

3. When has Nero ever struggled against average bosses in DMC 4 or 5 outside of Dante or Vergil? Echidna, Berial, and Bael didn't seem to give him any trouble at all. He beat Berial and Bael before he got his original DT and didn't even seem exhausted. Credo didn't seem to give him any trouble. Agnus had to blindside Nero with help from his knights. Heck even in his first battle with Sanctus the dude had to use Kyrie in order to beat Nero. Unless you wanna count these guys fighting dirty as struggling then yeah he struggled, but when someone uses similar tactics against Dante, like Arkham for example, he didn't fair much better.

1. Poor wording on my side, we didnt see him attack nero. It could have been his shield which nero broke in mission 8. Urizen attacked dante while on his seat multiple times. Dante wasnt fighting his shield in the cutscene. he was blocked by urizen directly and his tentacles like when urizen was standing up.

2. Urizen punched dante and knocked him back several stories. Urizen slapped nero like a bug, see the difference. Heck Urizen personally addresses dante when he arrives.

3. Struggled against berial, echinda, didnt wnt to fight multiple baals, struggled against knights of all enemies (literally needed dt for them).

4. Dante was defeated because of dirty tactics, he was defeated because he was tired.

[Kibarussell]

1. Again yes we do. Urizen was fully intent of hitting Nero with a fireball before Dante stood back up. We don't see the whole fight but again Urizen will obviously fight back if you attack him. Unless you think Urizen only spammed that shield reflect move against Nero which still counts as the same move put Dante in a coma. Watch the prologue again man.

2. Of course Urizen personally addressed Dante. That is his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ brother. On top of the fact that Dante has been demon hunting for more than 10 years and has killed thousands of demons. Berial knew who Dante was because of reputation alone. Nero is just starting out in his career so no one knows him yet, on top of the fact that Vergil didn't even know Nero was his son.

3. The only difference I see is that Nero still got past the shield and still hurt him. Dante was swatted out of the room by said shield "like a bug" and was put in a coma. Also how the hell did you get the impression that Nero struggled with Berial? The dude stopped Berial's sword thrust with his HUMAN arm with no problems. The dude was mouthing off casually at the end of the fight. Against Baal he had no problem taking him out the problem was that Nero didn't like fighting him. Whether Nero at the time could beat a heard of Baals is up for debate (this is without DT) but the reason he didn't want to fight them is for a completely different reason bro. About the knights he need DT because they blindsided him. He took down multiple knights before he got DT no problem. I guess you can say Nero's healing factor is worse than DMC 3 Dante and Vergil but that's to be expected.

4. You mean like how Nero was defeated because they had a hostage or because they had help? Enemies you say Nero "struggled" against only happened because Nero was cocky and they didn't fight him straight up. If it wasn't for Kyrie, Nero would have ended the order by himself.

Don't get me twisted I do believe current Dante is still stronger than Nero, but saying that current Nero is weaker than DMC 3 Dante is lowballing quite a bit. I believe you're just saying that because Nero isn't as "crazy" as Dante was in that game.

[wetblues]

Kibarussell eredeti hozzászólása:

1. Again yes we do. Urizen was fully intent of hitting Nero with a fireball before Dante stood back up. We don't see the whole fight but again Urizen will obviously fight back if you attack him. Unless you think Urizen only spammed that shield reflect move against Nero which still counts as the same move put Dante in a coma. Watch the prologue again man.

2. Of course Urizen personally addressed Dante. That is his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ brother. On top of the fact that Dante has been demon hunting for more than 10 years and has killed thousands of demons. Berial knew who Dante was because of reputation alone. Nero is just starting out in his career so no one knows him yet, on top of the fact that Vergil didn't even know Nero was his son.

3. The only difference I see is that Nero still got past the shield and still hurt him. Dante was swatted out of the room by said shield "like a bug" and was put in a coma. Also how the hell did you get the impression that Nero struggled with Berial? The dude stopped Berial's sword thrust with his HUMAN arm with no problems. The dude was mouthing off casually at the end of the fight. Against Baal he had no problem taking him out the problem was that Nero didn't like fighting him. Whether Nero at the time could beat a heard of Baals is up for debate (this is without DT) but the reason he didn't want to fight them is for a completely different reason bro. About the knights he need DT because they blindsided him. He took down multiple knights before he got DT no problem. I guess you can say Nero's healing factor is worse than DMC 3 Dante and Vergil but that's to be expected.

4. You mean like how Nero was defeated because they had a hostage or because they had help? Enemies you say Nero "struggled" against only happened because Nero was cocky and they didn't fight him straight up. If it wasn't for Kyrie, Nero would have ended the order by himself.

Don't get me twisted I do believe current Dante is still stronger than Nero, but saying that current Nero is weaker than DMC 3 Dante is lowballing quite a bit. I believe you're just saying that because Nero isn't as "crazy" as Dante was in that game.

Sorry i cannot keep wasting time with your wall of text. If you do not know the difference between the shield and urizen personally stopping dante, this is a waste of time talking to you.

[LazyAmerican]

There's no way in hell Nero is stronger at any level then Dante....but he's alright to play as /thread

[AnalogFlame]

Nah hes definetly stronger. Especially considering the fight for the final mission

[wetblues]

AnalogFlame eredeti hozzászólása:

Nah hes definetly stronger. Especially considering the fight for the final mission

It was made quite obvious that the scene was done for dramatic effect, same reason them punching him makes no sense. There is a reason they didnt pit him against urizen but instead a weakened vergil with the game basically giving Nero a super costume for the last fight because "emotions"

[george47mathew]

Kibarussell eredeti hozzászólása:

Nah considering Nero was actually able to make Urizen get off his seat while Dante couldn't speaks volumes of how strong he is now.

This is while Nero had almost no demon power at all and while Dante even had his father's sword.

I feel like people underestimate Nero because he is more human than Dante and Vergil. Is he weaker than current Dante and Vergil? Yeah more than likely, but DMC 3 Dante and Vergil? Nah that's lowballing him.

It does not make sense..

I mean Capcom sometimes plotholes and such...

For example.

How the hell did an Inhuman being like Trish struggled to keep V from falling? See there, thats an oversight...There are many more...

Nero got off a lucky shot to Urizen and Urizen was underestimating him. Nero even defeated Dante in DMC4 coz Dante's arrogance made him underestimate. Vergil and Dante both underestimated Nero and paid the price. If they fought on much serious reasons and going all out, then Nero will be defeated. Besides...Vergil does not even know why he needs more power? His mind is confused.

On an offside note...

The game also kinda proves Dante and Vergil was born rich. Eva clothing seemed aristocratic and the home interiors resemble rich decor.I doubt she was a simple human. She is probably something even more to catch the eye of a Demon Lord like Sparda...I'm guessing she is a witch. Legendary dark knight reference is mentioned in Bayonetta...There is no way Sparda would get on with a weak Human and endager her knowing he has hell buddies after his hide. This Eva has to be some bigwig witch.

[george47mathew]

Nero is much easier to play though...

Dante is complex....


Wish we had Vergil as DLC.

[Walter C. Dornez]

First of all, Dante didn't use all his power against Urizen, make Dante use Royal Guard against Urizen in a cutscene ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, that ♥♥♥♥ can block anything, and damm Dante never uses It! Even after grabbing the Sparda and getting ready to fight again, he is throw away! Give my boy a chance!

[XenoEvil]

This is dumb, Nero is capable of beating urizen at the very beginning.

[wetblues]

Walter C. Dornez eredeti hozzászólása:

First of all, Dante didn't use all his power against Urizen, make Dante use Royal Guard against Urizen in a cutscene ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, that ♥♥♥♥ can block anything, and damm Dante never uses It! Even after grabbing the Sparda and getting ready to fight again, he is throw away! Give my boy a chance!

One of the aspects that feels rushed in the game is Dante's defeat

[Walter C. Dornez]

wetblues eredeti hozzászólása:

Walter C. Dornez eredeti hozzászólása:

First of all, Dante didn't use all his power against Urizen, make Dante use Royal Guard against Urizen in a cutscene ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, that ♥♥♥♥ can block anything, and damm Dante never uses It! Even after grabbing the Sparda and getting ready to fight again, he is throw away! Give my boy a chance!

Once of the apsects that feels rushed in the game is Dante's defeat

Dante was caught off guard, he recovered pretty quickly from Urizen's fight, and If he used all, and i mean ALL of his powers and weapons, he would beat the crap of Urizen. Not to mention If he was nearly dead he could use Desperate Devil Trigger (Majin form) that have even more power than Sin Devil Trigger, in my opinion.

[george47mathew]

wetblues eredeti hozzászólása:

Walter C. Dornez eredeti hozzászólása:

First of all, Dante didn't use all his power against Urizen, make Dante use Royal Guard against Urizen in a cutscene ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, that ♥♥♥♥ can block anything, and damm Dante never uses It! Even after grabbing the Sparda and getting ready to fight again, he is throw away! Give my boy a chance!

Once of the apsects that feels rushed in the game is Dante's defeat

Yup...CAPCOM is in a big hurry to wrap up the series. They originally did not have any plans for a DMC5. It was only after the DmC reboot...which turned Dante into an edgy punk who smokes weed, forgetting the fact that he wasn't even one bit human.

In DMC4, Dante DT was so rushed that they forgot to add flight or glide ability for his DT. They had plans but...was in a huge hurry. DMC1 and 2 he can fly in his DT.