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Everything else is better on DMC3
Cutscenes look fantastic, you get to see a new side of Vergil, Nero becomes not dead weight.
People who think any other DMC game is better are in denial.
How can you say 5 has better gameplay than 3 when you are forced to play as V and change characters constantly.
If they made it optional then i would agree with you, but they didn't.
I don't mind that you have the opinion that 5 is better in every way. But at least be realistic...
V's sections are a tad boring, but I do enjoy all the dialogue for V that I get, it helped me figure out who the character really was the first time playing.
1. Weapon inventory, you can only bring 2 pairs of weapons in a mission as Dante, it's good enough but limiting especially compared to 3 and 5 (not sure if this eas updated in the switch version)
2. Styles, you can only pick one style for a mission, which is also limiting, though it offers strategy for each missions. (This was updated in the switch version)
3. Graphics, graphics isn't everything, but comparing 3 and 5 is like comparing night and day. 3 looked good for a ps2 game of its time, but one cannot deny that 5 looks gorgeous with all the super realistic srtstyle (courtesy of RE engine)
DMC3 has limiting inventory and style-switching but the game is built around that, you won't have a bad time because you can't switch styles on the go or use every weapon of the game in a combo.
Artstyle is completely subjective, i like DMC3's gothic artstyle more than the DMC5's realistic take, which i think is very bland
But eh it's a bad arguement so it doesn't count in either game.
But i agree with your points.
The only problem is that dmc4 had these exact same points, and that game is widely agreed to be inferior.
It's about the impression as a whole.
Nothing he says make any sense at all...
I guess you really are. 90% of V's dialog is pure exposition, all he does is explain to the other characters, up until the point he finally reconnects with Urizen.
DMC3's story is artful, sentimental, and even though it retconned Dante's backstory by making Vergil still alive and human as a teenager, it was ultimately for the sake of good storytelling. If you're so confused by the story, let me explain it to you.
Vergil is 19 years old. He's at a library, doing some kind of research when Arkham shows up and starts talking about Sparda. It's easy to infer that he wants to look into the origins of Sparda, and since we know from later in the story that Vergil's goal is precisely to find Sparda's power, forms a partnership with him. Together, they uncover the demonic tower Temen-ni-gru underground and raise it, as it is the primary hell gate that Sparda sealed.
However, in order to break the seal, Vergil needs the amulet Sparda used, which is split into two halves; Vergil has one, Dante has the other. While Vergil is busy reactivating the demon tower, Arkham goes to Dante, presenting him with an "invitation" on Vergil's behalf. Demons begin invading the city, and the tower emerges. Dante recognizes his brother at the top and it's clear that it's Dante's responsibility to stop him, though at this early in the story, he sees it mainly as a source of personal entertainment.
Along the way, Dante has multiple encounters with a mysterious girl with various guns on a motorcycle, Mary, whom Dante nicknames 'Lady' because she claims to have no name. We find out through dialog with Arkham that they are father and daughter, and she's there to kill him.
Once Dante finally reaches Vergil for the first time, and despite sharing some kind of sense of humor in their dialog, they fight and Dante loses. Vergil is irritated by his callousness and unwillingness to pursue Sparda's power, their father, their legacy. Vergil takes Dante's half of the amulet by force, slicing his hand as he falls over backward. Vergil walks away and as Dante's just about to get up again, he takes his sword and impales him to the ground as the final strike. Before he's able to leave however, Dante suddenly gets back up, fuelled with demonic power, and somewhat disoriented. Arkham emerges and urges Vergil to leave, as they have what they needed. Dante's Devil Trigger is awakened (hence the subtitle Dante's Awakening) and he passes out from the intensity of that moment.
Here, due to Vergil saying "I see a devil inside you has awakened as well." we can infer that he also has a devil form, and that it had already awakened in him at some point in the past, by his sword either coming into contact with his blood, or by him actually being impaled by it. The manga illustrates this moment when Vergil was at a graveyard as a child when demons attacked and he was left for dead, killed with his own katana, but that's not really important, nor necessary to understand how and why he has demonic powers and is therefore stronger than Dante in their first encounter in the story.
As Vergil and Arkham make their way deeper into the tower, to the room where the seal is, Vergil accuses Arkham of being too weak for not killing his own daughter, as he believes she's only interfering, and attempts to kill him, leaving him for dead.
Since Arkham is more resilient than Vergil could've known, he moves to a different location to later be found by his daughter and Dante. She says she was there to kill him because he'd sacrificed her mother to become a demon. Unable to go any further, she stays behind while Dante moves on ahead.
This is when Arkham "wakes up" and we get to find out that he wasn't killed by Vergil, and that he's a deceitful manipulator. With a completely different tone of voice, he convinces Mary that HE was "being manipulated by a devil named Vergil" before pretending to die in her arms. She then goes after him right behind Dante and arrives just as they were in the middle of a second fight. Mary attempts to kill Vergil, and accuses him that he forced her father into all this, to which he responds with "Is that what you think? Foolish girl." As the twins continue to fight, Lady is left uncertain of what's happening, questioning the situation, when Jester appears.
Jester had been a kind of guide for Dante up til this point, but seeing as he hadn't been in any way a threat, just little more than an irritating imp, Dante thought nothing of him. However, due to several closeup shots of Arkham and Mary's eyes, it's pretty clear that Jester is connected to them somehow, as they all have heterochromia; a blue eye and a red eye.
This is point when Jester reveals that he and Arkham were the same creature, and they had been manipulating the twins and Mary to gather them precisely there, the hell gate seal. Prior to the twins' second fight, Vergil had already attempted to open the seal. He used the completed amulet and his own blood, as required. How he knows this is easy to understand, getting here was an effort made with Arkham, whose goal was to come here and go into the demon world himself.
All three characters are too weak to stop Jester Arkham, who reveals that Mary's blood was also necessary to open the seal, as she is the descendant of the human priestess Sparda had sacrificed to make the seal in the first place. Her blood is added to the seal, and soon after, the tower is activated a second time and begins to rise even higher than before. Arkham easily overpowers the three and kicks them off the rising platform, and once the tower reaches its peak height, the portal to hell is finally opened in the sky.
Vergil was knocked out and fell through cracks in the floor.
Dante and Mary have one more bit of dialog here, when she shows her maturity by saying "I'm responsible for all this mess." This is when Dante begins to realize that Vergil, his family, and his heritage, are all big responsibilities of his that he'd been rejecting and ignoring for a long time.
By the time Dante finally arrives in the demon world, Arkham's already taken possession of Sparda's sword, the Force Edge, in which he'd locked away all of his demon power. When they finally meet again, Arkham's taken Sparda's power and his image. As they fight, Dante begins to realize it's too much for him to handle on his own, when Vergil reappears. For the moment, they fight alongside each other to defeat Arkham, and once that's done, they go right back to being on opposite sides, because Vergil still wants Sparda's power for himself, and Dante has to stop him.
In the end, Vergil loses and drops Sparda's sword but is still able to retrieve his own half of the amulet. Showing possessiveness for it, he begins backing away toward the edge of the cliff. Vergil expresses reverence for his father, for the demon world, for it had been their father's home, and decides he wants to stay. As he falls backward, he slices through Dante's hand again as he tries to grab ahold of him.
Despite everything, Dante still feels an emotional attachment with his brother. It's clear that he never wanted any of this to happen, just as it's clear that Vergil's too far gone -- too obsessed with the loss of his family, and overcome with the desire to become a powerful demon just as their father had been -- to be saved, to change his mind. Vergil would rather stay in Hell than to admit defeat.
Dante takes up Sparda's sword with him and returns to the human world. He cries for the loss of his brother, and Mary says "Even a devil may cry when he loses a loved one." With one final wave of demons to deal with, he and Mary team up until the end and go their separate ways.
Dante finally opens up shop, naming it "Devil May Cry." The end.
So what does the plot say about these characters?
For one, it tells the story of how Dante was a callous, arrogant, and irresponsible person, with heavy baggage that he refused to deal with until he had no choice but to face it head on. For the longest time, he hated his heritage, hated his own father, hated demons, for they had taken his home and his mother away. But by the end, and with with some unintended "guidance" from his dialog with Mary, he's become fully aware of the weight on his shoulders, and takes up the responsibility of following in his father's footsteps, armed with the sword he had left behind.
Secondly, it tells the story of how Vergil has become consumed by the pursuit of demonic power. Their father Sparda had been the most powerful demon that had ever existed, defeating and sealing away his own kind to save the human race. But Vergil didn't care about humanity, his own or anyone else's. Since the loss of his mother, all he could ever want was to gain absolute power, absolute control, to the point of stopping at nothing to achieve his goal, even going so far as to open a hell gate, fill a city with demons, at the cost of many people's lives. In his mind, once he'd taken Sparda's place as the most powerful demon ever, he would finally be at peace, and have full control of his life, so that he could never lose anything ever again.
And finally, we have the human side of it all. It's the story of how a man had been so obsessed with becoming a powerful demon that he sacrificed his own wife, for the sake of taking Sparda's power for himself. And while he had a daughter, he surely only had her so that he could later use her to break the demonic seal later on. Unlike Vergil, whose pursuit of power is driven by loss and the sense of powerlessness he still felt from having been separated from his family, and the death his mother, Arkham's pursuit of power is driven by complete selfishness and greed. He manipulated everyone in his life, right up until the end, after being defeated by Dante and Vergil, trying to justify his actions by saying "I wished to be a god! And I sacrificed one miserable human being for that reason. That is all! Was that really so awful?" to his own daughter. Even after putting her through complete misery, killing her mother, manipulating her, and attempting to steal Sparda's power for himself, and after falling so hard he can't even walk anymore, he is still trying to manipulate Mary into helping him. She rejects her real name right there and then and takes up the moniker Lady as her own name, before finally killing her father. After putting on a brave face the whole time, and demonstrating relentless strength and responsibility for her own father's actions, she finally breaks down and begins to cry. Just like Dante still cared about Vergil, Lady still cared about her father. Definitely not like a caring love, but a deep regret and guilt for having been powerless to stop him for so long.
What's done is done, and despite humans being physically weaker than demons, they have something demon's don't. And that's the human spirit. The heart. And that is the true source of Dante's strength, how he's still able to go on living and overcoming all obstacles in his way. He clings to his humanity, and he cares about doing the right thing. But that was a development he needed to have. He needed someone like Lady to bring him into the real world, to awake his sense of responsibility,
In the end, it was a story about responsibility, about family, about caring about others, about doing the right thing.
Meanwhile DMC5 ruined all of this beautiful and practically poetic writing for the sake of dumb, brainless fan service. Vergil is back! How? Why? Doesn't matter! He ripped off Nero's arm, which contained the Yamato, and he used it to separate from his own humanity, creating 'V'. How? Why? How the ♥♥♥♥ can Yamato do this? No idea! It just does, alright? Shut up. Anyway, Vergil's demon side gets nicknamed Urizen by V, and he pops out a demon tree out of nowhere that starts consuming all humans to create the ultimate source of power: A DANKY APPLE!
Meanwhile V has malformed versions of 1 normal enemy and 2 bosses from the first game because, how? Shut up, he just does! They live on his body like tribal tattoos and he can just summon them at will! How? Shut up, he just does, okay? Same with his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cane that he has to use to kill demons, no explanation given. Also, his version of the bird boss Griffon has zero to do with the original Griffon in terms of personality and character. Griffon had been a no-nonsense demon that was loyal to his own kind and was committed to killing Dante, but V's Griffon is a smug, sarcastic piece of ♥♥♥♥ that never shuts up. Why is he so far removed from the original character? Shut up I say, he just is, alright? Isn't he funny when you double jump and he's like "You're so high maintenance!" like V's so heavy right? Ha ha ha ha funny bird go brrr.
Meanwhile V also has the expository purpose of ruining everything about Devil May Cry as a storyline, his most grievous crime ruining Vergil's entire character. The whole point of Vergil, his existence, his personality, his reason for being, and his motivations, went from being a complex narrative that blurred the line of good and evil, self-preservation and thirst for power, to "he just wants to beat Dante lol." Suck my ♥♥♥♥.
The story in this game is complete garbage and not only does it ruin Vergil's character completely, it ruins all other established characters as well. The story literally starts with a refarded Nero, who lets his guard so far down that even a crippled Vergil can throw him across the room and rip his arm off in one go. Nero had become incredibly powerful by the end of the last game, but at the start of this one, he loses his arm to a useless, broken Vergil. Trish and Lady are rendered completely worthless, serving only to be transformed into two bosses without any sense, and Dante? Dante's given up. His story starts with him being alone, completely in the dark, having given up so hard that he can't even pay his power and water bills anymore. Dante's become so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid and empty-brained that he can't even recognize that the book V's carrying around is his own twin brother's diary. And, in the last game, despite being able to sense Vergil's essence inside Nero, he is completely incapable of sensing anything of Vergil at all in V, nor can he even sense the essences of Shadow, Nightmare, and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Griffon, who, in the first game, he had even shown sympathy for when he defeated him, and he got ultimately destroyed by his own master for failing to kill Dante. The writing in this game is so bad and so insulting that it even managed to ♥♥♥♥ on what little, yet substantially special characterization DMC1's story had.
DMC5 is a fine game, but the story is complete horse crap, it's a deep-cutting slap in the face to any real fan of the series, and it saddens me how much praise the game gets as a whole, when it's blatantly clear to me how infuriatingly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the writing is. And the soundtrack is garbage, too, except for Your Legacy (the most DMC-like song in the entire game) and Bury The Light (which still doesn't fit into the rest of the series, but is still a damn good song in its own right).
I aint readin' that, good luck though, DMC5 best.