The Ending?

[Baelfyr]

So Vergil just goes unchallenged over the fact he literally killed like an entire city population? Is there a good reason we as the good guys didn't idk treat him like a villain? Feels like the devs are too afraid to kill off a fan favourite, even though literally everybody in the story has a reason to want him dead and not to team up with him and go on demonic tea party expeditions, they even changed the timeline to fit all this in but it ends with zero consequence?

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dante cant kill verg, nero cant kill verg (because puss), Mundus dead, Argosax dead. So who can kill verg????

[Anderson Pig]

Urizen was the pure demonic side of Vergil. He sought power, believing that separating his human side from his demonic side would achieve this. But of course V and Urizen are incomplete beings and V retains Vergil's memories and emotions, regretting what has been done.

The consequences are Vergil and Dante going down to the Underworld to save the day and getting locked up down there. Vergil accepts what he did and fixes it.

Also playing this game made me realize how all of the DMC cast are scumbags. Soldiers get cut down and seconds later Nero's cracking jokes at the soldier who just lost his men. Nico's having fun at his expense, Dante is always being a smart ass and they all treat it like a game while people are literally dying. That's part of the DMC charm I guess.

[Grev]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtagonistCenteredMorality

[Baelfyr]

Originally posted by jonaf88851:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtagonistCenteredMorality

This wouldn't be the worst explanation if they didn't spend most of the game chatting ♥♥♥♥ about killing him though and Dante seems fully aware it's him for like most of the story, Vergil seems pretty super set on killing Dante too but then they just bygones be bygones, I thought the whole Dante's too cool to let anything get him persona thing would be a little more mature in this game, I guess I'm just kind of disappointed that we're still at "fill your dark soul with light" levels of writing. :/

[MonkeyBone]

Vergil split himself into two beings, one posessing his humanity and soul, the other his lust for power and demonic abilities. While Vergil bares the responsibility of spawning Urizen (which V felt immense guilt at and wants to atone for it) Vergil isn't responsible for it's actions as no man living or dead could have predicted what it would do, Vergil certainly wouldn't have expected to have nearly everything that he is stuck in human form and grow to appreciate his human side like Dante does but that was the lesson the sword Yamato had to teach and why it was given to him by Sparda in the first place.

[Lednard]

Originally posted by Anderson Pig:

Urizen was the pure demonic side of Vergil. He sought power, believing that separating his human side from his demonic side would achieve this. But of course V and Urizen are incomplete beings and V retains Vergil's memories and emotions, regretting what has been done.

The consequences are Vergil and Dante going down to the Underworld to save the day and getting locked up down there. Vergil accepts what he did and fixes it.

Also playing this game made me realize how all of the DMC cast are scumbags. Soldiers get cut down and seconds later Nero's cracking jokes at the soldier who just lost his men. Nico's having fun at his expense, Dante is always being a smart ass and they all treat it like a game while people are literally dying. That's part of the DMC charm I guess.

Remember when Credo died in DMC4 and Dante and Trish were like "Welp, too bad. Oh ! Look, the giant flying statue got wings ! That's ridiculous !"
Or in DMC3, when a giant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tower emerge from the ground and demons kill a lotta people and Dante is like "Hold on, I'm taking my coat, I have to go play the guitar with an electrical vampire succubus" ?

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So lets take it back a bit. The reason why our characters (and even us) never treated Vergil as true villain are for two reasons: Vergil is family and a victim.

The first point is self explanatory. Dante could never truly hate his own brother but he had the resolve to kill him and stop his quest for power. Even in DMC 3 Dante never treated Vergil as a villain even when Vergil summoned a massive tower in the middle of the city with countless demons. Dante despite having the resolve to kill Vergil, tried to save Vergil in their final battle in DMC3. Its always stated that the conclusion of DMC3 was a bittersweet victory for Dante.

In the Case of Nero, well there isn't much of a relationship there at all. However, through what see and hear in DMC4 and 5, Nero grew up mostly alone and was treated as an outsider. The only people whoever treated him like family have been Kyrie and Credo but now Nero learns that not only he has a father but he also has an uncle. Nero finally has a family and that's why he was so determined to save them both and make Vergil acknowledge him, his power, and his ideals.


The second point is that Vergil is a victim. As a child he lost everything. Vergil lost his home, his mother, and somewhat his brother. He witness the terrifying power of the demons. To prevent from ever losing anything ever again and relieving that nightmare, Vergil pursued his demonic heritage for more power. He was going to fight fire with fire and win from this point on. However in DMC3 Dante followed a different path, a path that actually gave Dante the power to protect. Vergil as a proud individual could not accept this. After all he has done so much to pursue his demonic heritage, so seeing Dante strive made Vergil's chosen path look obsolete. Vergil couldn't accept this so he was determined to beat his brother to prove he was right. But when that failed, Vergil decided to take on Mundus to prove he was right.

Mundus defeated Vergil and made him a pawn by influencing his demonic side and enhancing his demonic powers. Dante was still able to beat Vergil in that state. It is not stated that by Dante beating Vergil, Vergil was completely freed from Mundus' control on him. In the beginning of DMC5 Vergil still has the skin color of when he was under the influence of Mundus, I believe at that point whatever remnant of Mundus' power was in Vergil, it amplified his demonic side thirst for power. Of course this led Vergil to separate both his human and demon selves from each other.

Later on we learned from V (Vergil's human side), that all he ever wanted was to be protected and loved. This whole time Vergil has been fighting his childhood trauma but was too proud to admit he has chosen the wrong path. I believe that Dante understood this, that's why he always fought Vergil instead of trying a different approach to stop him. Dante knew, the only way both brothers could connect and understand each other was through battle.



I believe those are the reasons why our characters never treated Vergil as villain and always treated him as rival instead

[Baelfyr]

My main point here is right up until Nero stepping in they are both fully set to kill each other, I get what people are saying and I even agree to some extent that they have this sibling rivalry that they'll never quite be able to kill each other etc but none of the dialogue or build up to that moment actually enforces it, it was a super flat ending because of it, I've always liked these games because of the combat rather than the story but I can't say I'll really be invested in what happens to these characters if they'll always graze past consequences like this :(

[Grev]

I'm actually not totally sold on V being all that broken up about what's going on. I'm probably just reading too much into the story, but I wonder if Vergil from the start intended to get the Qliphoth fruit but knew its effects would be lethal to a half-demon, so he kicked V out of his body, ate the fruit, and then reunited according to plan. Everything that happened in the meantime was just details. Urizen didn't seem all that surprised that V turned up at the end and Vergil didn't seem bothered that they had become one being again or surprised that he was no longer falling apart.

[Shotgundam009]

"too afraid to kill off a fan favorite"

Um this guy has died twice already.

[MonkeyBone]

Originally posted by jonaf88851:

I'm actually not totally sold on V being all that broken up about what's going on. I'm probably just reading too much into the story, but I wonder if Vergil from the start intended to get the Qliphoth fruit but knew its effects would be lethal to a half-demon, so he kicked V out of his body, ate the fruit, and then reunited according to plan. Everything that happened in the meantime was just details. Urizen didn't seem all that surprised that V turned up at the end and Vergil didn't seem bothered that they had become one being again or surprised that he was no longer falling apart.

The game explained that all Vergil wanted to do was fight Dante and he thought his humanity was holding him back so with Yamato he removed not only his humanity but the corruption that was killing him which was another reason for doing what he did in the first place, that's why V has the tattoos. Urizen wasn't suprised because he was dying and he didn't have any of Vergil's memories, Urizen was it's own demon that cared only for power. As for Vergil not suprised at being back that would be his experience as V which is also why Vergil went from power mad to chilled out, giving his son his treasured book, and chilling in hell with Dante before returning to the van and staring at Dante dissaprovingly at his reading material.

[Ceph Seven]

I thought he had to "split himself in twooooo~" to save himself from Mundus corruption.

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Originally posted by MonkeyBone:

Originally posted by jonaf88851:

I'm actually not totally sold on V being all that broken up about what's going on. I'm probably just reading too much into the story, but I wonder if Vergil from the start intended to get the Qliphoth fruit but knew its effects would be lethal to a half-demon, so he kicked V out of his body, ate the fruit, and then reunited according to plan. Everything that happened in the meantime was just details. Urizen didn't seem all that surprised that V turned up at the end and Vergil didn't seem bothered that they had become one being again or surprised that he was no longer falling apart.

The game explained that all Vergil wanted to do was fight Dante and he thought his humanity was holding him back so with Yamato he removed not only his humanity but the corruption that was killing him which was another reason for doing what he did in the first place, that's why V has the tattoos. Urizen wasn't suprised because he was dying and he didn't have any of Vergil's memories, Urizen was it's own demon that cared only for power. As for Vergil not suprised at being back that would be his experience as V which is also why Vergil went from power mad to chilled out, giving his son his treasured book, and chilling in hell with Dante before returning to the van and staring at Dante dissaprovingly at his reading material.

Vergil also disapprovingly stares at Nero when Nero is observing his devil breaker.
"Son, why would you indulge yourself on weak machinery?"
"Cause a deadbeat dad cut off my arm"
"That's what you get for being weak"

[Sidyctism]

Originally posted by Baelfyr:

Originally posted by jonaf88851:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtagonistCenteredMorality

This wouldn't be the worst explanation if they didn't spend most of the game chatting ♥♥♥♥ about killing him though and Dante seems fully aware it's him for like most of the story, Vergil seems pretty super set on killing Dante too but then they just bygones be bygones, I thought the whole Dante's too cool to let anything get him persona thing would be a little more mature in this game, I guess I'm just kind of disappointed that we're still at "fill your dark soul with light" levels of writing. :/

well one could assume that when V strolls into the devil may cry, he just straight up tells dante who he and Urizen are. i mean dante already knew whom to expect ("lets see if it really is you" and "jackpot") also dante knew that the yamato could seperate man from devil, since he used this reasoning to conclude ramming the Rebellion into himself would be a good idea.
Though that makes the scene where V and Urizen reunite kind of confusing, since it seems like Dante initally assumed V would be killing Urizen, even though he is literally a part of him and his only way to survive.
i also wonder what V wanted to tell dante the whole time, for example when dante rides away on cavaliere and leaves trish with V.
in conclusion: i dunno

[Mesond]

Dante was going to stop Virgil but Nero doesn't want either of them dying. BEFORE Virgil had NOTHING to protect. He knew he wanted power due to losing a past loved one but that power had no meaning which lead to the horrible things he did (technically his demonic side only). But now he has Nero and seems a bit more level headed. And is even trying to cut down the tree. So in that light he's cleaning up his own mess.

Virgil would never admit it but he wants to protect Nero. The rest of the world he doesn't care for. I'm of a similar mind myself. "loyalty over morality". Nero earned Virgil's respect fighting him and Virgil's deal was "I'm your whipping boy". Though of course he's kind of dodging the fight with Nero and Dante is happy to be an outlet instead.