Theory too insane to be true

[JefTheReaper]

Spoiler ahead obviously.

I was just thinking, how is it that Nero can beat Vergil who is in a Sin DT, with just his newly obtained DT?
Why are his arms now shaped as wings? and why is it that his DT and his phantom arms/shape seem to be be two seperate powers?

How about Vergil's love interest actually having been somebody with Angel blood running through their veins?

This meaning Nero has both some Demon and some Angel roots, allowing him to surpass even the Sin DT while just in his normal Nephalim Trigger.

(I know I know, its more likely that its just his protagonist status that allows him to break past reasonable plot points, and the wings were just a gimmic that have no real reason exept that they thought it might look cool)

If Nintendo was not keeping Bayonetta hostage then at some point it might have been a nice excuse for a crossover as well, with Nero going to look into his angelic roots, only to find out most of them seem to be just as hellbend on caursing damage as demons are.

[willy bammy]

Everyone seems to forget that when Nero intervened, Dante and Vergil had already been fighting each other for awhile. They were weak and exhausted. Remember in DMC3, where they fought each other so hard even that human guy Arkham could kick their ass? Same thing here. Vergil was worn out and that's why Nero could win.

[✙205🍉🐆→]

no power no motivation

[JungleJim911]

Play on Son of Sparda or Dante Must Die, on Human/Devil Hunter the fight is more scripted than anything. I played the game on Son of Sparda the other day and the boss fight was really intense, DMD will probably be super punishing.

If Nero really does have Angel ancestry, which is slightly implied through his DT design with Angel-looking wings, that would make for an interesting plot point. During the hype campaign on FB a few days before release, the official page uploaded a character intro art listing him as a "Hybrid?". He has a higher potential than Dante and Vergil if that's true.

[J]

Director has confirmed there are no angels in DMC.

[✙205🍉🐆→]

angels in dmc lmao ANGELs ONLY IN ♥♥♥♥♥ REBOOT DmC

[FE-RN]

I would have to agree with the comments above. Dante and Vergil have been fighting by putting all their being into it. By the time Nero intervened, both Dante and Vergil were exhausted and ready to deal the final blow with whatever power they have left. Nero of course is no weakling and his Devil trigger is probably one of the most powerful ones (not saying is stronger than a Sin Devil Trigger, just saying is stronger than regular ones). However, Dante and Vergil are still stronger as both of them were able to easily brush Nero off before going to the underworld and shortly after they were able to handle demons they encountered and cutting the demonic tree. Also another reason why Vergil lost to Nero could be that his humanity made him hold back against his son. I doubt thats the case but it could be a possible theory

[Morgalad]

While Supreme Josh is right, they were tired so Nero being able to stop them means little, I think you might be on to something.

After all, they retconned a few things and the Dante in DmC was a mix of demon and angel, they might've decided to salvage that and give it to Nero.

https://devilmaycry.fandom.com/wiki/Dante_(DmC)

[Coin]

Originally posted by 205:

angels in dmc lmao ANGELs ONLY IN ♥♥♥♥♥ REBOOT DmC

[ChurchGorilla]

>how is it that Nero can beat Vergil who is in a Sin DT, with just his newly obtained DT?
Two reasons: A: Vergil is tired and weak from his battle. If a dumb clown can beat the crap out of both devil twins when they're tired, then an angry kid that unleashed his DT should have no issues
B: Vergil still doesn't realize the power of his human heritage, which is also the reason why Dante beat him up everytime.
>Why are his arms now shaped as wings?
Take a close look at his DT design. It's heavily inspired by the Savior from 4.
Considering that the savior is considered as a figure of protection by Fortuna, he views himself as a protector too, thus taking the form of a figure representing protection that he knows of.
Basically it's got nothing to do with angels because angels don't exist in DMC (this has been stated directly by Itsuno). There's only the duality between humans and demons. At most you have demons disguising as angels (Fallen & everything related to Order of the Sword)
>and why is it that his DT and his phantom arms/shape seem to be be two seperate powers?
They aren't you dumb moron. Nero draws his power from his demonic heritage
>How about Vergil's love interest actually having been somebody with Angel blood running through their veins?
That would be entirely unfounded. IIRC she's just some prostitute Verg picked up

[Буря Эмоций]

He was much more MOTIVATED!
Well actually it is important.
In DMC3 dante with more motivation in the end manage to beat vergil with father sword
And dante fight with vergil in DMC5... pointless. There is three that need to be choped.
And don't forget that after DMC 4 Nero understand that if you have someone to protect - you need to be strong and dante already was role model for him in some way and he think about vergil more as V (who is also close to him)

And about power level...
Dante and vergil now stronger then father and they half demons...
So we can say that half of the half can be even stronger...

[Coin]

Originally posted by STOP THAT PICHU!:

And dante fight with vergil in DMC5... pointless.

That's kinda why i liked that Dante just didn't care, he had enough of Vergil's childishness.

Originally posted by STOP THAT PICHU!:

So we can say that half of the half can be even stronger...

Not sure it works like that. They're stronger because their human parts fuel their demonic powers. Or something like that. They're motivated if you will

[Буря Эмоций]

Originally posted by Coin:

Originally posted by STOP THAT PICHU!:

And dante fight with vergil in DMC5... pointless.

That's kinda why i liked that Dante just didn't care, he had enough of Vergil's childishness.

:

Well we know now about how eva dies and V just say that he jealous
and in extra you can find that kid dante often take vergil stuff
So vergil actually can think (iner in his heart) that dante steal his mother love in every way

And dante actually know that and hate vergil for him thinking that Eva don't love vergil just like dante

[ChurchGorilla]

Originally posted by STOP THAT PICHU!:

In DMC3 dante with more motivation in the end manage to beat vergil with father sword

Not motivation. For christs sake does no one pay attention to what the characters say ?
Dante could beat Vergil because he accepted and embraced both his human and demonic heritage. Meanwhile Vergil loathes his human side because he considers humans to be weak due to mommy issues, which ironically makes him weak.
In fact that's the entire theme of DMC. Humans have something that makes them strong that demons don't have. That something are their hearts.

[JefTheReaper]

Originally posted by Supreme Josh:

Everyone seems to forget that when Nero intervened, Dante and Vergil had already been fighting each other for awhile. They were weak and exhausted. Remember in DMC3, where they fought each other so hard even that human guy Arkham could kick their ass? Same thing here. Vergil was worn out and that's why Nero could win.

You forget that Arkham was a very VERY detailed strategist.
If he trully had the upper hand when Vergil and Dante were worn out, then why did he not simply kill them there and then due to not needing them anymore, as well as them possibly being a problem inbetween the time that he would still need to obtain the power of sparda?

Obviously, becaurse he knew even tough they were weaker, his tricks and lucky shots would not keep lasting forever, and he could not beat them both, even in their weaker state.
If he could, he would have gotten rid of them.

Dante and Vergil are even stronger now, especially with the Sin DT what stands on a much higher level then the regular past DT.

A weakened Vergil would still be able to dispatch of Nero easily, especially if you remember, Nero has been fighting this entire time too, he's also worn out (unlike Arkham who had barely lifted a finger during the events of 3)

And as a extra piece, Dante gets ♥♥♥♥♥ slapped pretty far by Nero, and he even remarks he thought the slap was going to kill him.

Dante was quite likley Exaggerating.
But even so, for somebody like Dante (who gets mortally wounded on a daily basis and just shruggs it off) having him admitting the strength/danger of just a backhand slap is kinda alarming.

[JefTheReaper]

Originally posted by GMGMaker:

Originally posted by STOP THAT PICHU!:

In DMC3 dante with more motivation in the end manage to beat vergil with father sword

Not motivation. For christs sake does no one pay attention to what the characters say ?
Dante could beat Vergil because he accepted and embraced both his human and demonic heritage. Meanwhile Vergil loathes his human side because he considers humans to be weak due to mommy issues, which ironically makes him weak.
In fact that's the entire theme of DMC. Humans have something that makes them strong that demons don't have. That something are their hearts.

Does not mean that the whole "human strength" thing is completely true to where the power derives from though, if that were true then Lady (the most human of the entire crew) should have been able to beat Urizen.

Nero is only 1/4th demon, so naturally he should be weaker then Dante and Vergil, no matter how much he is in touch with his human side.
That's why I assume there is something more to Nero that we don't know about yet, for example that another 1/4th of him is actually Angel.