Bloody palace is disappointing

[tacogao]

The first 29 waves (except goliath) are all pretty lame. Difficulty still scales with floors meaning the first 50 are a waste of time. Bosses only being every 20 floors instead of every 10 is a shame. Niddhog, elder geryon, nightmare trio and qliphoth roots couldve made up the other 5 bosses.

Lastly, no multiplayer is a serious screw up on potential. (though online BP is in the code so maybe itll come in the near future assuming it didnt get scrapped).

Edit: I'm adding a wishlist here to give a more concise example of what could've been

- Difficulty setting: It doesn't turn into DMD until floor 80 meaning that the first 60 floors are a waste especially since you're not fighting the bosses at their best. It'd also increase replay value and give players who aren't as good some way to get satisfaction without having the same level of achievement.

- Bosses every 10 floors: The game has more than enough bosses to fulfill this and they'd be way better than some of the filler floors we have now. Bosses are easily the highlight of the game and the genre as a whole really. They're so well implemented that they never get annoying to fight and serve as the best representation of the combat system.

- No weapon lock: Let us use our equipment. If the devs feel the DLC items aren't balanced properly they should be fixed, not removed. Sweet surrender is really the only issue anyway and it's exclusive to Nero.

- Co-op: This goes for the campaign as well but I can't imagine anyone doesn't want fuil coop. Nero's stages would have to be change a bit to compensate grimm grips again but V's breakable walls could easily just be prebroken without issue. Again, this increases replay value even for single player allowing players to go back and play any stage as their favorite character and potentially any future ones that come with DLC or a special edition. Something which was also requested for DMC4 with its 5 character roster and wasn't delivered on.

- Why do we still step through portals to go to the next wave?: This one really just comes with the fact that there's dynamic music, songs starting over again pretty much as soon as you get S rank on the first 50 stages or so is really annoying. 9 floors couldve been strung together in waves since theres nothing to pause for between em anyway until nero needs more arms or you hit a boss.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by TacoGao:

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

So because you dislike it nobody can?

He didn't say that, you're extrapolating too much.

The way he phrased it came of as overly negitive to people who enjoyed this bloody palace.

[tacogao]

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

Originally posted by TacoGao:

He didn't say that, you're extrapolating too much.

The way he phrased it came of as overly negitive to people who enjoyed this bloody palace.

I'm not even sure who hes talking about because I dont see anyone defending the lack of boss fights, coop and over abundance of filler floors with nothing but 1 or 2 enemies or tentacles+1 enemy which all couldve easily been boss fights instead. But honestly I dont see how anyone familiar with the series could think this mode is good, its the worst its ever been and the lack of changes and fixes to 4's is just baffling. Personally I've never been bothered by the timer but youd think they would scrap it by now considering how much people complain about it.

Youd also think that character specific navigation tools wouldn't be used to get through the mandatory path of the level in order to allow any character to play any mission for ng+. These are easily some of the most requested features by fans and wouldve only served to benefit the coop.

Instead dev time was wasted on multiplayer and a half finished 3rd character.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by TacoGao:

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

The way he phrased it came of as overly negitive to people who enjoyed this bloody palace.

I'm not even sure who hes talking about because I dont see anyone defending the lack of boss fights, coop and over abundance of filler floors with nothing but 1 or 2 enemies or tentacles+1 enemy which all couldve easily been boss fights instead. But honestly I dont see how anyone familiar with the series could think this mode is good, its the worst its ever been and the lack of changes and fixes to 4's is just baffling. Personally I've never been bothered by the timer but youd think they would scrap it by now considering how much people complain about it.

Youd also think that character specific navigation tools wouldn't be used to get through the mandatory path of the level in order to allow any character to play any mission for ng+. These are easily some of the most requested features by fans and wouldve only served to benefit the coop.

Instead dev time was wasted on multiplayer and a half finished 3rd character.

I’ve played and beat every relevent dmc (1,3, and 4) and I like this mode personally because I A. Like the enemy design in 5 a lot, b. I can finally play my favorite bosses immedieatly due to the “warm up” feature, and C it lets me play with V more.

Yes it’s copy pasted from 4 and there’s less boss fights and filler floors. I don’t care because unlike 4’s bloody palace and quite a few of 4’s enemies cough blitz, faust, the knight enemies in 4 cough all the enemies are fun to fight with every character and not just slogs that feel poorly designed for a certain character.
I still haven’t completed 4’s bloody palace because I always time out as Dante because I suck at fighting the Knights and Blitz as him.

[tacogao]

Right you like this mode because you suck, you just made that abundantly clear.

[S2G.]

Originally posted by TacoGao:

Right you like this mode because you suck, you just made that abundantly clear.

Wait so a hardcore fan cant enjoy this bloody palace?
A bad player should not a enjoy a bloody palace?
a bad player wont get passed stage 70 if he gets there.
DMC 4 was complete ass to play with Dante, skilled or not.
Because A) he was not even half done move set wise and his animations were clunky while in 5 hes animations are smooth even with the whole "realistic" more frames BS
B) Enemy design is importent you think its fun to play Cayote A or hoping not to get hit while using Omen with pendora to get that stupid blitz shield down. I still dread the stupid stage with 2 Blitz in 4 was a complete nightmare for me.
C) Not all of us are going to waste our time to "git gud" while there are flaws to fix.

half of your problems ATM are "weak" enemis and no challange and i get it, new BP feels a bit weak. (I got to stage 85 on my first run while in 4 i got to 40 maybe)
but there are more players around the world who cant even switch styles or understand the use of trick/RG, I am not a god at DMC nor i want to be one my only flaw is i cant JC like a pro.

TL:DR Deal with it this is a weak frenchise to get income from it we need to take some L since casual wont be intrested in playing some thing "unplayble", saying IDGAF i want MY DMC is just childish. like i said most players wont get past 70 unless they are lucky.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by TacoGao:

Right you like this mode because you suck, you just made that abundantly clear.

1. ♥♥♥♥ your “you suck” ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ enemy design in 4 was defenitly centered towards Nero not Dante.
2. I’m sorry If I don’t find fighting 20% of enemies fun or stylish in DMC4 i guess I can’t have that negitiv opinion however because unless you meet your standerds as your obviously the god of DMC who can judge how good everyone is from one line can’t have a serious negitive or positive opinion on anything.

By the way I’ve beaten all of DMC4 without items or using checkpoints on SoS and am currently working on DMD. (That was put on hold cause my ps4’s memory was wiped and I needed to beat SoS again.) but I guess I’m 100% garbage huh.

[tacogao]

Originally posted by S2G.:

DMC 4 was complete ass to play with Dante, skilled or not.
Because A) he was not even half done move set wise

Dante in DMC4 was the single most complex action game protagonist of all time, arguably still is even with 5 out now since there were several very difficult glitches to pull off which elevated him much higher. The sheer depth of his character was insane and his skill ceiling was limitless. He had about 8 times the moveset of nero so I really don't know how you're coming to this conclusion other than pulling it directly out of your behind.

[SanicTheHedgehog]

Originally posted by Thanos:

Originally posted by TacoGao:

Urizen, niddhog, elder geryon, nightmare trio and qliphoth roots couldve made up the other 5 bosses.

Worst bosses in the game didnt make it to the BP. Thank you Sparda.

this^

[tacogao]

Originally posted by Thanos:

Worst bosses in the game didnt make it to the BP. Thank you Sparda.

Geryon and niddhog arent terrible bosses, V is just a terrible character.

[Medusahead]

Originally posted by TacoGao:

Right you like this mode because you suck, you just made that abundantly clear.

Damn you're brutal today.

[Mrbud420 💩]

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

I’ve played and beat every relevent dmc (1,3, and 4) and I like this mode personally because I A. Like the enemy design in 5 a lot, b. I can finally play my favorite bosses immedieatly due to the “warm up” feature, and C it lets me play with V more.

OK You are saying that this is the best Bloody Palace even better then DMC 4 because you get to play the worst thing that ever happened to DMC (V) more. Sorry but nothing you say after this matters. You clearly are not in a good logical mind set right now.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Mrbud420 💩:

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

I’ve played and beat every relevent dmc (1,3, and 4) and I like this mode personally because I A. Like the enemy design in 5 a lot, b. I can finally play my favorite bosses immedieatly due to the “warm up” feature, and C it lets me play with V more.

OK You are saying that this is the best Bloody Palace even better then DMC 4 because you get to play the worst thing that ever happened to DMC (V) more. Sorry but nothing you say after this matters. You clearly are not in a good logical mind set right now.

1. Your opinion on how V is =/= objective fact some people like how he plays.
2. me liking this bloody palace =/= me thinking this is the best one (that would still be 3’s.)

Nice attempt at putting words in my mouth though. Apparently liking this bloody palace is a sin, y’all better not go to the DMC subreddit else you may have a heart attack cause a lot of people over there like this bloody palace (some are also dissapointed admitedly.) And you’ve made it abundently clear you can’t think anyone can like it unless they suck or are “not in the right state of mind.” Because they happen to like playing as a character that was well recived.

[Yagyu]

white loading scren after every stage makes me wanna kms

[Jesterofgames7712]

Also because nobody on this thread understands what words mean let me remind you this is what both your and mine opinions on bloody palace is Sub·jec·tive
/səbˈjektiv/
adjective
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. This is what your and mine opinions is not. ob·jec·tive
/əbˈjektiv/
adjective
1.
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

Your disliking some floors and thinking there filler (I could argue they are rest floors to heal up or floors set to lower your guard like the one floor that looks like the one floor that looks like it’s gonna be just a qlipoth root and turns out to hold 3 behemoths as well.) or disliking bosses every 20 floors is subjective. Disliking the timer is subjective. Disliking V is subjective.

Your not in the wrong for disliking this because this is all subjective.


You are in the wrong for insulting me based on my opinion (saying I only like this bloody palace cause I suck ect.) because again this is SUBJECTIVE not OBJECTIVE.

This is gonna be my last post on this thread cause I have better things to do with my time then sit around and argue with people who throw around ad hominim attacks for my opinion.
Better things to do like playing dmc 5’s bloody palace.

[Commander Ghost]

I fail to see how liking the Bloody Palace indicates that People like Jester suck or "Aren't in the Right State of Mind" since the same can be easily said in return too you for finding it disappointing; If you don't like the Bloody Palace that's fine as no one is force it down your throat because you are entitled to that OPINION however don't suddenly turn around and act like your Opinion is somehow a Fact just because someone doesn't have the same one as you, that's quite frankly you ridiculous and ludicrous.

The same applies to V here as regardless of if you think V is a Terrible Character because of how he is Written or how he is plays, it's ultimately your opinion something that you are entitled too; However that doesn't mean your opinion is objectively a fact that everyone needs to acknowledge since I have seen and met multiple people that do enjoy V both with how he is Written and how he Plays something they are entitled to enjoy.

I believe it was not that long ago where in Devil May Cry 4; It was Nero that was considered the Worst Thing that happened to the Devil May Cry Franchise as he was not liked despite having a very engaging and enjoyable Playstyle (Though admittedly, Nero wasn't that good from a Writing Perspective in DMC4) however yet despite all that; Here we are now in Devil May Cry 5 with Nero being more liked than he was in DMC4 with an even more Expansive Playstyle due to the Devil Breakers and even more liked because of the fact that he is actually developed as a character.

It honestly feels more like it's not matter of V (and Originally Nero) being a bad Character from a Written or Playable Perspective, but more along the lines of no one wants to accept new Changes to the Game or New Characters and only want the Characters that were already established too be playable, something that honestly while understandable makes no sense since stagnation is something a lot of Games try to Avoid and is something that DMC avoided WITH Devil May Cry 5 and V's Inclusion.

But if I go on any longer, I'll likely be meet with claims that "I suck" or "I am not in the Right State Of Mind," so I'll finish my input with this.

If you don't like Bloody Palace or don't like V as a Character, then that's fine as no one is gonna force it down your throat however don't treat your beliefs that this Bloody Palace is Bad/Disappointing or that V is a Terrible as Fact and don't treat others like crap because they enjoy it, cause quite frankly that makes you look like a fool, Something the Internet could use less off.

I'll take my leave now.