My thoughts on MTX and DMC 5.

[Nameless Gentleman]

The tl;dr: It's tone deaf for Capcom to put progression MTX in the game less than a year after the Battlefront 2 controversy caused by EA, but without seeing the extent of how it is implemented, it's hard to say if this will break the game.

As everyone knows by now, Capcom is implementing optional progression microtransactions into Devil May Cry 5, which was spotted by Gamespot during TGS. The dev team's response to the discovery seems to be a fairly bog standard response along the lines of saying that we are going to be making money off of those who want to pay for it, and only briefly touches on the subject of how it is allegedly balanced against how one normally earns red orbs in the game.

To be honest, this was a huge marketing blunder that Capcom didn't need, and it just happened to come out after the dumpster fire that is Dante's battle theme, and yet they decided to push forward with them and hoped no one would notice them during TGS.

Personally, I do not believe that MTX will have a major effect on DMC 5, since everything that has been said suggests that the gain rate for red orbs will be in-line with previous DMC games, and that items getting progressively more expensive as you buy them is standard for the series. However, the inclusion of MTX is a fairly tone deaf move, especially after numerous single player games included them as a way to encourage people to spend money instead of improving their skills at the game, and especially after EA introduced progression lootboxes for Battlefront 2, something which EA was slowly warming up gamers to with battlepacks that were featured in Battlefront 4.

For most people that are interested in DMC 5, it's very likely that they are probably not going to spend money on progression MTX, since this crowd is the type to sit there and practice at the game until they master combos for the characters, which in turn will (in theory) give them all the red orbs they need to unlock all of the abilities for Dante, Nero, and V. The problem here is for everyone else that isn't going to be that dedicated to mastering DMC 5, MTX is likely to give them a worse experience, leading to negative word of mouth that DMC 5 really does not need. I say this because every weapon related ability requires a degree of understanding of how it works in order to pull off some of the more complex moves that rapidly fill the stylish meter. For these people, if they spend money on red orbs to unlock a move, they are not going to suddenly become better at the game, and they will still be at the same level they were at, regardless of the money they spend on the game. Once they realize that they wasted money on something that isn't guaranteed to make them better in a few seconds, they will end up feeling like they were cheated out of whatever Capcom decides to charge them for.

Ultimately, Capcom including MTX is a rather tone deaf move to try and increase profits from their customers further. I understand that this is a game made by a corporation that has to answer to their shareholders, but I do personally feel that the damage potential from MTX will probably hurt this game in the long run. While its hard to say how bad MTX will be with the little information available on the game at the moment, it's a cause for concern not just for how they will be implemented in the game, but also in terms of how this will affect the DMC franchise as we know it.

And full disclosure, I did pre-order DMC 5 Deluxe Edition the moment it was available on Steam, and I do not claim to be amazing at DMC as a whole. As it remains, I intend on keeping my pre-order unless Capcom makes another marketing blunder regarding MTX that proves to be worse than what appeared at TGS.

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[DarkJuda On Deck]

It's funny that you talk about DMC5 like it's the first DMC to include MTX.

DmC and DMC4:SE hade MTX but they didn't make an outrage like this. Why?
Simply because it was still a new thing at that time and no one asked Capcom if they were gonna put MTX in their games. The thing is, the way they were implemented, no one noticed them. A lot of people even find they useful, as they didn't wan't to grind their game another time, especialy knowing that DMC4 vanilla was a huge pain to grind.

But now, it is different. No different because they implemented them differently in DMC5, different because some games with MTX made a few scandals leading people to fear them.
Of course someone at one point was gonna ask this question to Capcom and of course they were gonna say yes. It was predictable. So, what an opportunity for journalists and youtubers to make a bad buzz about it!

Capcom is not making a "deaf tone move", they act like they usually act, and since MTX were totally not an issue in prior DMC games, they won't be an issue here.

It's just that people learned to fear and attack MTX, but they got it all wrong if they think DMC5's MTX will be an issue and will make the game a grindfest like some others with MTX.

[Jesterofgames7712]

2 things
1. DMC5 does bring up micro’s if you try and buy things you don’t have wether that counts as intrusive or not is up to you.

2 DmC had DLC not microtransactions. Not quite the same ball park.

[DarkJuda On Deck]

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

2 things
2 DmC had DLC not microtransactions. Not quite the same ball park.

Well, inside its DLCs, DmC has some "boosters" that help you find keys, gather more orbs, and some upgrade points, which are in game currencies. So it's basically MTX.

[FrozenStar]

Does not change anything. Literally. They do not affect the game at all. Stop crying.

[hellatze]

People willing to trade good game with their ego ?

Moron i say.

I rather have good game. As long the mtx didnt bother the gameplay.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by hellatze:

People willing to trade good game with their ego ?

Moron i say.

I rather have good game. As long the mtx didnt bother the gameplay.

Merely having them present, regardless or not if any one even buys them, is a terrible idea. The reason why is because it sets precedence and acceptance for the practice. Proof of that can be found in this very thread.

People are real quick to throw out principle simply because the game gives them their “fix”. This alone is the reason why the industry has become what it has, monetizing psychological addiction.

I might consider myself a die-hard Devil May Cry fan but I am going to opt out on this one, which sucks since they actually did what I had hoped and pretended the reboot never happened. Of course wither or not I buy the game won’t have any kind of impact, since the power of IP alone will make millions.

Ultimately it’s not a matter of ego, it’s voting with your wallet for a better industry, which if enough people did the industry’s treatment of the consumer would vastly improve. Granted though, the time I've spent typing this has been nothing but a waste since few people see it for what it is.

[wetblues]

Originally posted by Gradis:

Originally posted by hellatze:

People willing to trade good game with their ego ?

Moron i say.

I rather have good game. As long the mtx didnt bother the gameplay.

Merely having them present, regardless or not if any one even buys them, is a terrible idea. The reason why is because it sets precedence and acceptance for the practice. Proof of that can be found in this very thread.

People are real quick to throw out principle simply because the game gives them their “fix”. This alone is the reason why the industry has become what it has, monetizing psychological addiction.

I might consider myself a die-hard Devil May Cry fan but I am going to opt out on this one, which sucks since they actually did what I had hoped and pretended the reboot never happened. Of course wither or not I buy the game won’t have any kind of impact, since the power of IP alone will make millions.

Ultimately it’s not a matter of ego, it’s voting with your wallet for a better industry, which if enough people did the industry’s treatment of the consumer would vastly improve. Granted though, the time I've spent typing this has been nothing but a waste since few people see it for what it is.

Nah, you are reacting to this based on your experiences with the industry which makes sense. Imagine if when they announcned dmc 4 se had micros and they changed the rate at which we get orbs.

tell me whether you think people wouldnt have reacted terribly and assumed that they reduced the rate of the orbs to sell the micro? be honest

[7K]

Originally posted by Gradis:

Merely having them present, regardless or not if any one even buys them, is a terrible idea. The reason why is because it sets precedence and acceptance for the practice. Proof of that can be found in this very thread.

I completely disagree with the the statement "buying a game with MTx = supporting MTx". Especially in a game where they have little to no impact on the gameplay.

Originally posted by Gradis:

People are real quick to throw out principle simply because the game gives them their “fix”. This alone is the reason why the industry has become what it has, monetizing psychological addiction.

I fail to see how DMC5 falls in this category of "monetizing psychological addiction". If you talking about other games why bring this point here and not compare it with DMC4:SP and DmC: Devil may Cry?

Originally posted by Gradis:

Ultimately it’s not a matter of ego, it’s voting with your wallet for a better industry, which if enough people did the industry’s treatment of the consumer would vastly improve. Granted though, the time I've spent typing this has been nothing but a waste since few people see it for what it is.

Most people here who you claim are "acceptance for the practice" see exactly for what it is and just because they disagree with you doesn't mean they are accepting the practice.

[kandol]

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

2 things
1. DMC5 does bring up micro’s if you try and buy things you don’t have wether that counts as intrusive or not is up to you.

2 DmC had DLC not microtransactions. Not quite the same ball park.

...its gonna have the same DLC in 5. but of course, you just gonna believe gaming journalists 100%, because you are born yesterday.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by kandol:

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

2 things
1. DMC5 does bring up micro’s if you try and buy things you don’t have wether that counts as intrusive or not is up to you.

2 DmC had DLC not microtransactions. Not quite the same ball park.

...its gonna have the same DLC in 5. but of course, you just gonna believe gaming journalists 100%, because you are born yesterday.

laughs

I was just giving out info. Look on any major thread and I will out right tell people nothing suggests micro’s will affect the game play.
Don’t assume someone’s opinon based off an ambigous post.