Seriously the price is a slap in the face dev

[happyskunky]

Raise the price already! Your selling yourself short. The price is literally an insult. I know this has been said before. I know it's not my game...not my profits but it's ridiculous! Other early access games even ones in supposedly early access for 5 years ( ripoff scams ) have been charging $15 , $20 or $30!

[deadering]

I agree it's worth more than the current price but then again I'm sure many people, myself included, bought it instantly at the price when even $15 can make people hold out for a sale.

[happyskunky]

Originally posted by deadering:

I agree it's worth more than the current price but then again I'm sure many people, myself included, bought it instantly at the price when even $15 can make people hold out for a sale.

Great point/thought !

[Aurora (Terrum)]

Considering 90% of the amusements in the game are knock-offs of copyrighted machines, it kind of makes sense that the developer set a lower price point. Less likely to encounter a lawsuit when profits are far lower than worth suing over.

[happyskunky]

Originally posted by Picks 'n' Kicks (Terrum):

Considering 90% of the amusements in the game are knock-offs of copyrighted machines, it kind of makes sense that the developer set a lower price point. Less likely to encounter a lawsuit when profits are far lower than worth suing over.

ok than every single item in video games are a knock off of something else. The chair in CONTROL the gun used in Red Dead redemption 2.... etc how can you pick and choose what items in video games should be worth suing and shouldn't. Maybe I'm making no sense at all it's just my twisted logic.

[Eagle91]

I watched both BrutalMoose and Nerd3 play this and thus had it on my radar for quite some time. I finally went for it and it's one of the best games I've recently played. Wow, you almost feel like you've stolen the game for how good it is at the price it has. This game is easy worth $20, and you're getting it for less than nine.

[Eagle91]

Originally posted by happyskunky:

Originally posted by Picks 'n' Kicks (Terrum):

Considering 90% of the amusements in the game are knock-offs of copyrighted machines, it kind of makes sense that the developer set a lower price point. Less likely to encounter a lawsuit when profits are far lower than worth suing over.

ok than every single item in video games are a knock off of something else. The chair in CONTROL the gun used in Red Dead redemption 2.... etc how can you pick and choose what items in video games should be worth suing and shouldn't. Maybe I'm making no sense at all it's just my twisted logic.

Seconded. These are general *concepts* of games. You can't copyright the general idea of a coin-pusher, or a ball-drop machine, or go-karts, or laser tag. Those can be taken by anyone and customized however they see fit. Otherwise, the guy who wrote the first ever book should have copyrighted the idea to bind books in that form so no one else could ever make them. Stupid, right? It's very, very likely that these digital machines would fall easily into that "fair use" category of a non-copyrightable general concept.

[Aurora (Terrum)]

Originally posted by happyskunky:

how can you pick and choose what items in video games should be worth suing and shouldn't

Because this is real life. People will sue over anything - especially in USA. If someone feels that their intellectual rights are vulnerable and it is 'worth' suing over, they will sue - period.

Originally posted by Eagle91:

You can't copyright the general idea of a coin-pusher, or a ball-drop machine, or go-karts, or laser tag.

That's the thing, they're not just 'general coin pushers' nor 'general ball drop machines'. These are trademarked, patented concepts which are literally exact copies of each game's mechanics to an accurate detail - the only difference being the branding.

The dev hasn't just made his own coin pusher and put his own, unique game mechanics into it, he has copied the exact gameplay of it. Riddle me this, what other coin pusher out there is exactly the same as the SpongeBob coin pusher? None. That means it's not a general concept.

I'm not saying this should change anything in terms of game price or such, because I also agree that the dev deserves more money for the game. I'm just stating facts with the legal side of things. Chances of any lawsuit happening is incredibly miniscule though as a virtual game is hardly going to put the manufacturers of the physical machines in jeopardy.

[Stringbean]

Originally posted by happyskunky:

Raise the price already! Your selling yourself short.

It's only Early Access and I bet there are many people that will disagree with you. Why don't you make a nice big hefty personal donation to the developer.

[happyskunky]

Originally posted by Stringbean:

Originally posted by happyskunky:

Raise the price already! Your selling yourself short.

It's only Early Access and I bet there are many people that will disagree with you. Why don't you make a nice big hefty personal donation to the developer.

I already did a kind gesture as a token of appreciation and I bet no other player out there did anything like what I did !

[MrFalliorsGaming]

Originally posted by Spooky Picks (Terrum):

Originally posted by happyskunky:

how can you pick and choose what items in video games should be worth suing and shouldn't

Because this is real life. People will sue over anything - especially in USA. If someone feels that their intellectual rights are vulnerable and it is 'worth' suing over, they will sue - period.

Originally posted by Eagle91:

You can't copyright the general idea of a coin-pusher, or a ball-drop machine, or go-karts, or laser tag.

That's the thing, they're not just 'general coin pushers' nor 'general ball drop machines'. These are trademarked, patented concepts which are literally exact copies of each game's mechanics to an accurate detail - the only difference being the branding.

The dev hasn't just made his own coin pusher and put his own, unique game mechanics into it, he has copied the exact gameplay of it. Riddle me this, what other coin pusher out there is exactly the same as the SpongeBob coin pusher? None. That means it's not a general concept.

I'm not saying this should change anything in terms of game price or such, because I also agree that the dev deserves more money for the game. I'm just stating facts with the legal side of things. Chances of any lawsuit happening is incredibly miniscule though as a virtual game is hardly going to put the manufacturers of the physical machines in jeopardy.

I have literally played about 15 different coin pushers that are THE EXACT SAME besides the name and color style of it.

[Aurora (Terrum)]

Originally posted by MrFalliorsGaming:

I have literally played about 15 different coin pushers that are THE EXACT SAME besides the name and color style of it.

You've literally played 15 different coin pushers that's exactly the same as the SpongeBob coin pusher but with different branding. Please, name them all, I'll wait.

Also if any of them are Andamiro machines (DC, Avengers, etc) then they don't count, because obviously one that holds the copyright to something would use the same concept for many of their own different machines.

[gazzygamer]

there's always as to be one person that as to bring up copyright stuff to a conversation. just let the dev do all that and i'm sure he knows what he can and can't do..

[Aurora (Terrum)]

Originally posted by gazzygamer:

i'm sure he knows what he can and can't do..

And that's why lots of indie devs nowadays are getting sued left right and centre for millions of dollars - because they don't know what they can and can't add.

I also have no idea what's wrong with bringing up 'copyright stuff', it's not like I'm giving false information. It's a conversation like any other - live with it.

Any person that cares enough about this game would be concerned of every aspect and legality to ensure that the developer doesn't get into deep ♥♥♥♥ and lose not only the game - but his entire earnings and potentially his house.

[happyskunky]

I cared enough to politely ask Kevin in a private message about this and he never bothered to respond. I am concerned about copywrite infringements this game might cause.

[Aurora (Terrum)]

Originally posted by happyskunky:

I cared enough to politely ask Kevin in a private message about this and he never bothered to respond. I am concerned about copywrite infringements this game might cause.

Honestly, don't worry about it :) I only brought it up as a potential reason as to why the dev put such a low price on the game, and it is a good reason to (if that indeed is the reason for the low price). Copyright holders are far less likely to sue if they know someone's profit is minimal.

Unfortunately everyone else here has taken my comment critically, hence my stern responses to them.