So What's The Aftermath Of This Ending?

[Almea]

I got the ending "Back Home"

So Rei's the CEO. All good, maybe. What's happening with Domori/The Witch? Or as she was asleep, was Domori actually not doing anything at all and it was all the snake? Or if it was Domori, is she just going to continue what she was doing?

[Musica_Optima]

Here is what I think:

I think it was all the snake. Domori seems to be some sort of foxspirit herself, thriving on love and friendship. When Rei left to play with her other friends, the snake talked Domori into 'using her powers for herself'. What I don't quite understand is the double bodyswap. It seems like Rei and Domori swapped bodies and the family burned Rei in Domoris body, while the snake had Rei's body with Domoris soul in it trapped in that crystal.

Then, after freeing 'Domori', her eyes are red, but when you go with her to the tenth floor, they are green again. So Rei seems to be back in her old body and Domori in the android...

I didn't get a very Happy End feeling from any of the endings, unlike with count Lucanor, where there is a real BEST ending...

[Super Tramp]

Originally posted by Musica_Optima:

I didn't get a very Happy End feeling from any of the endings, unlike with count Lucanor, where there is a real BEST ending...

I absolutely agree about Count Lucanor and that Yuppie Psycho's ending is far to ambiguous. I mean, even Brian was confused by how things transpired. LOL Plus even when Brian asked about it, Rei/Domori brushed it off saying it doesn't matter anymore. That was some truly lazy writing. We can speculate,sure. And with infinite possible reasons I would say @Musica_Optima explanation is as good as any.

[evyatar 100]

Musica_Optima - I'm pretty sure that there is no real happy ending...

I think Rei mind get corrupt when we assemble her android body, and she get more evil when time goes on.

Because:

1. She call Brian daddy when he dress like the divel.

2. She laughs when Robo-Domori kills Hugo (or when Hugo punch Brian if you
stole the dagger).

3. At first Rei gets mad when you call Domori a witch, but later in the CEO office, she
tell Hugo her "sister sure is" (a witch).

So I'm going to be depressed until someone will find other ending. :(

[Supleted (Spek From Infinity)]

Originally posted by evyatar 100:

Musica_Optima - I'm pretty sure that there is no real happy ending...

I think Rei mind get corrupt when we assemble her android body, and she get more evil when time goes on.

Because:

1. She call Brian daddy when he dress like the devil.

2. She laughs when Robo-Domori kills Hugo (or when Hugo punch Brian if you
stole the dagger).

3. At first Rei gets mad when you call Domori a witch, but later in the CEO office, she
tell Hugo her "sister sure is" (a witch).

So I'm going to be depressed until someone will find other ending. :(

you have to remember that before confronting Hugo, Rei and Domori swtiched back, so Rei is in her own body again, and Domori is in the robot's body. The comment "I'm not a witch, but my sister sure is" refers to how Hugo is accusing Rei of being the witch and trying to stab her with the Atame, which may injure her, but not harm her, since she's not the witch. Rei will not say this line if you manages to steal the Atame from Hugo before the end, thus unlocking a second ending.

Also, you may want to remember that when the head of the android calls Brian "Daddy", it doesn't have Rei's memories yet. The robot is designed after Sintra, yes, but she is just a robot without any of Sintra's memories at that point. The fact that she called Brian "Daddy" may mean that Devil man is the person who built the robots, and not necessarily that Rei Sintra herself is evil.

Also, as to why Rei laughed at Hugo's death, it could be that Hugo is one of the worst ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the entire company, and he tries to placate everyone by using smooth words to justify his indirect murders. He has honestly tortured everyone in the company more than the witch ever did, and his death deserves laughs, not pity. As to why Rei laughed at Hugo punching Brian, it was because at that point, Hugo has lost all of the work he had done to get up to the position of CEO, and his outburst is legitimately funny, since he got exactly what he deserved.

[evyatar 100]

Originally posted by Sprite of Lore Whistling:

Originally posted by evyatar 100:

Musica_Optima - I'm pretty sure that there is no real happy ending...

I think Rei mind get corrupt when we assemble her android body, and she get more evil when time goes on.

Because:

1. She call Brian daddy when he dress like the devil.

2. She laughs when Robo-Domori kills Hugo (or when Hugo punch Brian if you
stole the dagger).

3. At first Rei gets mad when you call Domori a witch, but later in the CEO office, she
tell Hugo her "sister sure is" (a witch).

So I'm going to be depressed until someone will find other ending. :(

you have to remember that before confronting Hugo, Rei and Domori swtiched back, so Rei is in her own body again, and Domori is in the robot's body. The comment "I'm not a witch, but my sister sure is" refers to how Hugo is accusing Rei of being the witch and trying to stab her with the Atame, which may injure her, but not harm her, since she's not the witch. Rei will not say this line if you manages to steal the Atame from Hugo before the end, thus unlocking a second ending.

Also, you may want to remember that when the head of the android calls Brian "Daddy", it doesn't have Rei's memories yet. The robot is designed after Sintra, yes, but she is just a robot without any of Sintra's memories at that point. The fact that she called Brian "Daddy" may mean that Devil man is the person who built the robots, and not necessarily that Rei Sintra herself is evil.

Also, as to why Rei laughed at Hugo's death, it could be that Hugo is one of the worst ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the entire company, and he tries to placate everyone by using smooth words to justify his indirect murders. He has honestly tortured everyone in the company more than the witch ever did, and his death deserves laughs, not pity. As to why Rei laughed at Hugo punching Brian, it was because at that point, Hugo has lost all of the work he had done to get up to the position of CEO, and his outburst is legitimately funny, since he got exactly what he deserved.

Just did a double check and Rei still says the line about Domori even if you manages to steal the Atame.

I still believe that something went wrong. a corrupt mind is still corrupt, even if u move it to another body...

But hi, Maybe I'm just paranoid :)

[Supleted (Spek From Infinity)]

Originally posted by evyatar 100:

Originally posted by Sprite of Lore Whistling:

you have to remember that before confronting Hugo, Rei and Domori swtiched back, so Rei is in her own body again, and Domori is in the robot's body. The comment "I'm not a witch, but my sister sure is" refers to how Hugo is accusing Rei of being the witch and trying to stab her with the Atame, which may injure her, but not harm her, since she's not the witch. Rei will not say this line if you manages to steal the Atame from Hugo before the end, thus unlocking a second ending.

Also, you may want to remember that when the head of the android calls Brian "Daddy", it doesn't have Rei's memories yet. The robot is designed after Sintra, yes, but she is just a robot without any of Sintra's memories at that point. The fact that she called Brian "Daddy" may mean that Devil man is the person who built the robots, and not necessarily that Rei Sintra herself is evil.

Also, as to why Rei laughed at Hugo's death, it could be that Hugo is one of the worst ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the entire company, and he tries to placate everyone by using smooth words to justify his indirect murders. He has honestly tortured everyone in the company more than the witch ever did, and his death deserves laughs, not pity. As to why Rei laughed at Hugo punching Brian, it was because at that point, Hugo has lost all of the work he had done to get up to the position of CEO, and his outburst is legitimately funny, since he got exactly what he deserved.

Just did a double check and Rei still says the line about Domori even if you manages to steal the Atame.

I still believe that something went wrong. a corrupt mind is still corrupt, even if u move it to another body...

But hi, Maybe I'm just paranoid :) [/quote]
To be honest, I think the error was caused by rei's memories replacing memories implanted by Devil man, and that Brian hugging Rei somehow made it... better? In any case, it may not be likely we'll get a sequel to this game, since they story is pretty much wrapped up and Baroque Decay is going to move on to another game at this rate, so hopefully everything is well after this point.

[burningmime]

Ugh all that black makes this topic impossible to read. I think it's safe to ditrch the spoiler tags at this point.

I'm not sure the "Devil Man" actually exists; I thought that was just a costume. Honestly, there's so many plot holes, that I'm not sure the developers had a complete picture of the story; they were going more for a certain atmosphere/surrealism and grafted the story about Rei and Domori on later. In addition to the ones brought up already...

* These people never tell their signifigant others what happens at the company? Nobody notices when they go missing? The authorities never visit? Even if the employees are brainwashed by the witch, someone outside the company would have noticed.
* If all the corrupt Hexenhammers are from previous hunters, then how did the physical Hexenhammer get back to the library? Does it keep resetting there every time a hunter fails?
* Why was Hugo as a little boy working as a janitor? Is this a world with child labor?
* Where is the flooded place located physically in the company? It would need to be the first floor next to the canteen, yet there is an elevator in there. Is it a different elevator?
* How did virtual Sintra's memories get into the robot Sintra, and why was it Brian's version instead of another Hunter's?

My theroy: In the cutscene you get from all lighting all 3 altars, you see an old Chinese man with a long, thin beard smoking a pipe who sells magical creatures in cages. Based on this, we can assume Domori is a Mogwai, and the Sintras fed her after midnight.

[blackageha]

ummm, then what is that devil man in the flooded section?
And the 9th floor Spader (Blond guy, I think that's his name?) said something about a 'delivery'...
So the devil man or men does exist. I mean you did get the costume from a devil man.

[Super Tramp]

well i would assume the devil man in the elevator is supposed to be you. while in reality it is probably just an illusion brought on by the snake. after all that guy in the costume is trying to trick you into missing your opportunity to save Kate. I think it is the snakes last ditch effort to try and hurt you emotionally. he already knows his days as a 'deity' are coming to a close.

i feel like Spader might actually be the devil or at least a 'man' of position in the underworld.

[burningmime]

Originally posted by blackageha:

ummm, then what is that devil man in the flooded section?
And the 9th floor Spader (Blond guy, I think that's his name?) said something about a 'delivery'...
So the devil man or men does exist. I mean you did get the costume from a devil man.

But wht is there to tie that costumed man into the Rei/Domori story at all? See what I'm saying, the more you look down the plot hole, the further it goes. I think it's best to think of it as a cool surreal experience without a well-defined plot.

[Supleted (Spek From Infinity)]

Originally posted by burningmime:

Originally posted by blackageha:

ummm, then what is that devil man in the flooded section?
And the 9th floor Spader (Blond guy, I think that's his name?) said something about a 'delivery'...
So the devil man or men does exist. I mean you did get the costume from a devil man.

But wht is there to tie that costumed man into the Rei/Domori story at all? See what I'm saying, the more you look down the plot hole, the further it goes. I think it's best to think of it as a cool surreal experience without a well-defined plot.

There are other games where there exists an overarching character who had meddled in each universes' affairs, and their character is only explored in later series. The devil man's actions, such as making sintra bots, blood letting and being Brian's Doppleganger could be used as a plot device in later series, and have his character fleshed out in another game.

[blackageha]

You mean like the bald guy in Misao?

[burningmime]

Originally posted by Sprite of Lore Whistling:

Originally posted by burningmime:

But wht is there to tie that costumed man into the Rei/Domori story at all? See what I'm saying, the more you look down the plot hole, the further it goes. I think it's best to think of it as a cool surreal experience without a well-defined plot.

There are other games where there exists an overarching character who had meddled in each universes' affairs, and their character is only explored in later series. The devil man's actions, such as making sintra bots, blood letting and being Brian's Doppleganger could be used as a plot device in later series, and have his character fleshed out in another game.

When did the devil man make Sintra bots? The original Sintra bots were made by the Sintra family, and Doshi was working on the one Brian finishes at the end. The "daddy" head was in an exhibit and Spader (?) says it was the first one, which means it must have been from 1973 or whenever the article about Sintra robots came out.

[Supleted (Spek From Infinity)]

Originally posted by burningmime:

Originally posted by Sprite of Lore Whistling:

There are other games where there exists an overarching character who had meddled in each universes' affairs, and their character is only explored in later series. The devil man's actions, such as making sintra bots, blood letting and being Brian's Doppleganger could be used as a plot device in later series, and have his character fleshed out in another game.

When did the devil man make Sintra bots? The original Sintra bots were made by the Sintra family, and Doshi was working on the one Brian finishes at the end. The "daddy" head was in an exhibit and Spader (?) says it was the first one, which means it must have been from 1973 or whenever the article about Sintra robots came out.

Rei died in 1972, when the Sintra family burned her alive thinking she was Domori. After the family burned the witch, they must have missed Rei a lot, and so the Sintra Corp hired someone to design a line of Sintra bots to replace the daughter they've lost. It could be inferred that somehow, someone with a very similar look to Brian, possible Brian's father, was a scientist working on the line of Sintra bots. The person who worked on Sintra bots, or the one Sintra calls "daddy", could very well be the Devil Man himself, and Brian just happened to look like him, which is why Sintra called him "daddy" when Brian put on the devil suit. but if it was truly Brian's father who designed the robots, why would Brian be living in class G? Well, it could also be inferred that the snake's magic made the sintra bots go mad, which explains why the 6th floor is blocked off. Naturally, the Pasternack family name was disgraced, and Brian's family was downgraded to the suburbs, where Brian was born. Since Brian's father was heavily involved in Sintra corp, it would also make sense why Brian would be picked to be a witch hunter, and thus begins the Yuppie Psycho Story. The devil inside the elevator could also be Brian's negative view about his father, who may have been extremely harsh on him, since he lost the good life he has once had.

[Super Tramp]

Originally posted by burningmime:

* These people never tell their signifigant others what happens at the company? Nobody notices when they go missing? The authorities never visit? Even if the employees are brainwashed by the witch, someone outside the company would have noticed.

Yes. It is very hard to believe that a company that has either help their employees imprisoned or murdered them wouldn't be shut down or investigated years ago.

* If all the corrupt Hexenhammers are from previous hunters, then how did the physical Hexenhammer get back to the library? Does it keep resetting there every time a hunter fails?

I feel like the Hexenhammer was a mixed threat. The Hexenhammer itself is very much a trojan and the data was probably a worm that once inside the system could replicate itself damaging the AI. The Sitra family photo was the straw that broke the camels back. It corrupted Sintra beyond repair. If you watch the part where you hand the photo over to Sintra you will notice that her portrait actually glitches ever so slightly.

* Why was Hugo as a little boy working as a janitor? Is this a world with child labor?

Well if you assume that all humans have ranks and designation. I would say yes, this reality doesn't have child labor laws. Though he is quite squat so maybe he just looks younger than he really is in that sequence.

* Where is the flooded place located physically in the company? It would need to be the first floor next to the canteen, yet there is an elevator in there. Is it a different elevator?

It could be anywhere but floor 6 isn't accessible so maybe it is there? I mean someone else pointed out that you can take a ventilation shaft that doesn't take more than a few seconds to traverse in order to climb from the 5th floor to the 8th. If using that measurement as a tool we can assume that swimming up what seems like a good distance toward were the office is could mean you exited on the 6th floor.. no?


* How did virtual Sintra's memories get into the robot Sintra, and why was it Brian's version instead of another Hunter's?

I don't know but I feel like all Sintra's come from a main hub. That main hub being used as an insurance policy. Closing off if there is a virus but transferring all memories/interactions back to the main. The physical Sintra bot is most likely pulling resources from that main hub so she probably not only remembers Brian but all hunters and employees.
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