the more i play this game, the more i dislike Sanada clan

[Sashimi Kimochi]

i mean, aren't they just a bunch of traitors ?

[Rogue]

Obviously, you think you feel what they feel since you didn't buy the game for the PC.

[Sashimi Kimochi]

oh you want to talk about that ?

[GabettiXCV]

I mean, historically, Nobuyuki didn't even chose to fight his own family. He was just sent by Masayuki to ensure the clan would survive either way.

[Sashimi Kimochi]

in the end the Sanada clan get wiped out and i think they deserve that

currently on chapter 7 and here's what they have done
ally with the oda , oda fell > betray them
ally with the hojo then betray hojo soon after that
ally with the tokugawa then betray them again to form an alliance with the uesugi and i bet they will betray the uesugi soon... lol

i don't know why the sanada clan got so much reputation in Japan, they are literally a bunch of traitors, unfaithful soldiers

[Rogue]

All talk is poop when you did not buy it on PC.

[ingosupercute]

Rule of thumb: In any given feudalistic government system ever, betrayal and power struggles with shifting alliances are how things go.

[Sashimi Kimochi]

and that's how their clan got ♥♥♥♥ in the ass later, everyone dies lolol

[Venetoi]

Didn't Sanada clan last as long as 1900s?

[someunknownguy # 1412]

ingosupercute eredeti hozzászólása:

Rule of thumb: In any given feudalistic government system ever, betrayal and power struggles with shifting alliances are how things go.

This.

Also, the gray and grey morality.

[Sashimi Kimochi]

Ashsaver eredeti hozzászólása:

Didn't Sanada clan last as long as 1900s?

they all get #rekt in story mode

[C4RNIVOR3]

It's almost as if morals and values during Sengoku Jidai were different from how people perceive things in the present day, imagine that

[Algester]

Historically Nobuyuki was the one who still allied with Ieyasu until his death and thats way way way after Siege of Osaka, while Yukimura allied with the Toyotomi who is still technically Oda's successor
its not the entire Family are a bunch of traitors either... they stayed with the Takeda until their downfall (I mean then Shingen Takeda got assassinated if he did got assassinated as history isnt particular) is when ♥♥♥♥ hit the fan, as remember the Vassals of Takeda got split up between Ieyasu and Toyotomi much like what happened with the Hojo

[Icevail]

Masayuki did it to protect both his clan and family, can't please everyone while doing so, so why not make sure everyone knows you're not to be messed with at any situation while at it?

I totally agreed with his every damn move, from those many betrayals, alliances of conveniences and deceits, that period of time culled out the weak really fast, and Masayuki made sure he and his clan wasn't one of those.

[GabettiXCV]

Now that I think of it, the whole game presents feelings between Yukimura and Chacha. But then, Chacha has Hideyori with Hideyoshi and Yukimura dies trying to protect him. Japan's greatest warrior is a cuck.

[Pippin123]

Well most of the clans did this kind of things, some more successfully than others...

All the bushido / noble warriors is a late Tokugawa era addition (when they were all at peace and nostalgic) and romanticism. Plus the modern layer where not a single warlord is conquering for his own profit, but because they want "peace".

Shingen took control of the Takeda by betraying his father and exiling him, and then probably murdered his own son for plotting with Imagawa.

The noble Kenshin Uesugi, born Nagao Kagetora, first took control of the Nagao clan in a war against his own elder brother, then when the Uesugi clan (Nagao clan nominal overlord) was invaded by the Hojo, the defeated Uesugi asked for help. Nagao Kagetora agreed on condition that he be adopted in the Uesugi clan, and took the Uesugi name. In essence a reverse takeover...

The story of the Ouchi clan is also an exemple of betrayals and vassal taking over their overlords...

Just to say, the Sanada were not worse than other clans, and had a ♥♥♥♥ starting position, wedged between Takeda and Uesugi... (Play Nobunaga's ambition, you'll see :) )