Where is ADAM?

[Random Content]

I have not purchased this game, YET.
I have been reading ENDLESS amounts of posts on Official Forum and Steam, "researching" early tech, so I am not a complete waste of space in game as a noob. I have spent many lifetimes reading tips for noobs and such.
I keep reading about a serious problem about "EVE CAMPS" The dire situation of the first mother having to develop a society alone WITH the prospect of children. I always wonder to myself, WHERE IS ADAM?
I am a father IRL, I remember when my child was born, I felt this tremendous urge to care for the mother and child. I did all the chores, I provided for my family in SO many ways beyond the generic, went to work and put meat on the table ideal many people think about.
So i say to the dev...WTF? Where is Adam? A female cannot have babies without a male.
I suggest that the first child of an Eve should be an Adam. Eve Should not birth him of course, but she should have the standard RNG fate and an age appropriate male appears. allow the game to continue as is from this point on. I think this idea resolves alot of issues with the game going forward.

[starkn1ght]

If you require a male to be present before a child can be born, you're going to cause even MORE dead or non-starting civilizations. How close do the two have to be? Is it sufficient that they've met sometime since the female was off birth cooldown, or do they have to be within sight of each other (for example) in order for her to give birth? Or do they just both have to be alive at the time?

It just adds an unnecessary complication to the game and doesn't enhance gameplay. For roleplay purposes, yes, it would be nice to have such a thing, but it should be optional and voluntary (requiring sign-in by both parties).

Edited to add: If you make an Adam appear for each Eve, you've just forced a player into the role of husband to another player. Far better to let that sort of thing emerge organically.

[Dufflebags]

Don't be the guy who tells people how the game should work when they don't even own the game.....

More mouths to feed isn't better. And males don't have titties, so not nearly as useful as you would think. Play the game.

[Random Content]

:)
I know who is who already after 3 days.
I know the fear you have of change.
This game is about change

[Astax]

I understand what the OP is saying. I tend to agree, but the thing is it's hard to make the game both realistic on a micro level and on the macro level. You might say on the micro level there needs to be a man and a woman, but how do you translate that on a macro level to unintended pregnancies? I guess you would make it that if a man and a woman are on the same screen somehow the woman can become pregnant. Well that will just result in male and female players not being on the same screen, which is easy to do with gameplay behavioral modification, but would be totally unrealistic in ancient times (or even today).

The design we have now really lends itself to an interesting dynamic. I have found myself relieved to be a male one time (no more babies popping out at random and forcing me to try to raise them or abandon them). However once everyone around me disappeaered, I ended up alone, running through wilderness hoping to run into another player and eventually just giving up on life because I didn't see what the point of it all was! Fascinatting and insightful experience.

[Random Content]

I am not making an argument for male/female relations outside of the context that the dev chose to choose it himself. I am arguing that Eve needs a mate, a partner. someone who can go off and fetch carrots and burdock and start the farming and pottery while she feeds the first and or second child. this is common in multi generational towns with plentiful males and females. why all the hate? I might not own this game (YET), but i am the least noob. youre welcome.
/devious /blush

[Guy]

Jason wants to avoid fathers because that would mean LOTS of incest. Also trolley males rp'ing as rapists and ♥♥♥♥, No one wants that cancer. There is also the Issue of Adam or Eve suiciding/dying leaving the other stranded with no way to continue

Maybe Adam could work purely as a helping hand

[Random Content]

reproduction(and anything to do with it) is irrelevant to this discussion

[Athropos]

OP is completely right, having an Adam would really help the earlygame. The game is already punishing enough

[Zerostalgia]

Disagree. It's quite hard to travel together. By the time an eve settles to a spot a son will be in an enviroment where he can grow with plenty of food left over, making no necessity for an Adam.

[starkn1ght]

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:)
I know who is who already after 3 days.
I know the fear you have of change.
This game is about change

The game was going to change, regardless. Jason has already said the game isn't complete. New technologies will change gameplay in the future as we discover new challenges to overcome.

Most veteran players aren't afraid of change... we welcome it. Just don't expect the game to change in the way you deem necessary, that's all.

Also, you aren't contributing anything to the discussion you started... just making assertions and vague pronouncements. Do you have something substantial to offer, or is it just that you think so highly of your opinion that you believe everyone should agree with it?

[starkn1ght]

Publicado originalmente por Random Content:

reproduction(and anything to do with it) is irrelevant to this discussion

YOU are the one who asserted 'A female cannot have children without a male'. Therefore, YOU brought reproduction into the discussion. You cannot then dismiss it as irrelevant without admitting you're just trying to stir up controversy and not really interested in discussing the matter properly. Stop moving the goalposts and debate honestly, or give up your little attempt to stir up people's emotions about a game that you don't even own.

[starkn1ght]

Publicado originalmente por Random Content:

I am not making an argument for male/female relations outside of the context that the dev chose to choose it himself. I am arguing that Eve needs a mate, a partner. someone who can go off and fetch carrots and burdock and start the farming and pottery while she feeds the first and or second child. this is common in multi generational towns with plentiful males and females. why all the hate? I might not own this game (YET), but i am the least noob. youre welcome.
/devious /blush

Ummm... no. If you insist that Eve needs an Adam to have babies, then *all* women in-game would need to have men around (i.e., male characters of at least 14 years) in order to have babies. It would be non-sensical to insist on a Adam for every Eve but then say, "Well, her daughters don't need a man around to have kids."

Either males are needed for reproduction, or they're not. If they are, it's going to doom even more budding civilizations, as now not only lack of girls will doom the family, so will lack of boys.

Let's not even get into the subject of incest... what happens if the only male around is part of your family, which is going to be quite often? (Yes, I know many people RP marrying their brothers/uncles/cousins, but that's just for fun.) You're forced to have 'their' child? I can foresee a lot of people being disturbed by that idea.

Yes, Eve runs can go more smoothly with help. However, a competent child goes a long way to fixing that lack, after the initial 3 minutes. Teach your children to be helpful. "Pick up the basket and follow me, girl. We have to go to camp." "Farm the berries until you're older, then find a job that needs to be done." "Go and be useful." (That last one is usually in a good-sized town...)

This isn't hate, it's debate. You brought up an idea, we're explaining why we don't think it's a good one. :)

[Tohtori Leka]

I wouldn't say a father should be a requisite for a child but the other way around. When a woman gets a child, a new player would spawn as it's father. And as long the father is alive he would be the father of future children for the woman. If the father is dead and a new child is born, a new father would spawn. This would also reduce the times you are just left to die as a newborn because a new eve gets too many children.

[starkn1ght]

Publicado originalmente por Tohtori Leka:

I wouldn't say a father should be a requisite for a child but the other way around. When a woman gets a child, a new player would spawn as it's father. And as long the father is alive he would be the father of future children for the woman. If the father is dead and a new child is born, a new father would spawn. This would also reduce the times you are just left to die as a newborn because a new eve gets too many children.

Once again, you're forcing a player into a role they might not choose for themselves, because there are no npcs in the game. Would *you* want to be forced to be an Adam? Or would you suicide to try to get your own Eve spawn?

Just because you spawn as a young adult (14 years old), it doesn't mean that you are a competent player. Sure, you can pick things up, but so can a child of 3 1/2 minutes. It really doesn't take that long, and with decent temperature it's not even that draining. Put the kid on a good spot and do work nearby; come back on check on them every 20-30 seconds. Or if you're traveling/scouting, tell them to follow and say F at 2 bars (3 if more than 2 kids). Be ready to drop everything (literally) when they do say it, though!

Again: I don't see what value forced Adam spawns bring to the game. You'd be better off with a child, because at least they take less food than an adult. Breastfeeding a baby (or child of up to 5) takes 1 pip from your hunger meter, and nothing extra if you carry them. So feeding a baby 3 bars (to fill them up from 1) only costs you 1 pip, but an adult would need to eat a berry (or popcorn, if you have it) to make up that same food loss. In a tight food situation, an Adam will be a liability and most experienced players would suicide to allow the Eve (or her offspring) a better chance. With this proposal, you'll need at least 50% more wild food to be able to survive until the farms start producing, and it can be hard enough to find sometimes as it is.

[gabal]

Eve can get her Adam spawned but the thing is - next generations are the problem as it will get incestious really fast.