Is there a way to do do more damage? with magic/ bows?

[Riftweaver]

with guns you can upgrade them, with melee you raise your damage stat.. but what about magic and bows/xbows? i was hovering over a bronto carrying a friend on my pteranodon, and even though the xbow was 190% the highest we saw was 35 damage. he used his pistol and only was doing about 40 damage. i tried using my wand and every type of ammo i used was 10-20 damage.. i walk up and hit it with my steel bone sword and i do 500. seems a little unbalanced for a bronto that was only level 4. we ran out of ammo before it even started bleeding :(

to make matters more annoying, we brought over our level 3 bigfoot and he destroyed the bronto doing 322 a hit and barely lost half is health..

i get that brontos are like a strength rating of 9. but how am i suppose to improve on my ability to do damage? i cant even imagine trying to go through an ice castle full of SR9 bears and wolves...even more so with the horrible armor problems the game has right now

[Riftweaver]

bump for great justice! im honestly really curious about this.

[iHaldur]

Do not attempt to attack an ice castle :D we tried it, and those compy sized bullys at the door wrecked us, and were invulnerable against firearms and melee, even our argentavis didnt do any Damage. (Magic spells only?). I see no sense doing 12k headshots to a pteranodon and only 17 damage to a Scorpion. Pick up a wild Pteranodon egg and you get fuc.. even if its a power rating of nearly 0. tamed high level dinos are 500% weaker than a lvl 1 wild, so no sense in this too. (tames loose their power rating?^^)

[VALORANT PLAYER]

You are not supposed kill a sauropod like that. Get a dps tame instead.

Creatures have different base stats (hp, damage, stamina, weight, etc) and resistance (defence), some say they also have elemental multiplier (poison weak to nature, fire is effective against nature, etc)

Trex are ment to be a dps, terror bird ment to be scout due to its high movement speed, trike ment to be berries harvester, mega rock dragon ment to be tank, sauropod ment to be a tank with a platform to build things, etc

Note that the element dmg multiplier existant really not confirmed but the different base stats is.

[VALORANT PLAYER]

Diposting pertama kali oleh iHaldur™:

Do not attempt to attack an ice castle :D we tried it, and those compy sized bullys at the door wrecked us, and were invulnerable against firearms and melee, even our argentavis didnt do any Damage. (Magic spells only?). I see no sense doing 12k headshots to a pteranodon and only 17 damage to a Scorpion. Pick up a wild Pteranodon egg and you get fuc.. even if its a power rating of nearly 0. tamed high level dinos are 500% weaker than a lvl 1 wild, so no sense in this too. (tames loose their power rating?^^)

It actually makes a lot of sense. Creatures has their own usabilitty. Pteranodon (headshot) & plants creatures would be damaged at least 10 times higher. A melle or bullet wont deal much damage to hard shelled creatures like ankylo, scorpion, armadilo, etc.

Check out my previous reply.

[Riftweaver]

my point is.. i get all that, it makes sens to me about the power levels. obviously the dungeons are suppose to be doable, right? you cant bring a rex inside an ice castle, so how are you suppose to deal with it? or the other dungeons. they give us a lot of tools to play with as a player for magic and fire arms and melee.. but only the firearms can be enhanced? that just seems a bit odd.

[VALORANT PLAYER]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Riftweaver:

my point is.. i get all that, it makes sens to me about the power levels. obviously the dungeons are suppose to be doable, right? you cant bring a rex inside an ice castle, so how are you suppose to deal with it? or the other dungeons. they give us a lot of tools to play with as a player for magic and fire arms and melee.. but only the firearms can be enhanced? that just seems a bit odd.

With a team of 4-6 (less needed if they have experience. I cleared it with 3 of my friends)
> Put walls around the ice ruin
> put some beds around
> pop some dps dinos outside the ruin and inside the wall > set to aggresive and following fo falss
> go inside pop you small dps creatures (direwolf, wolf, raptors, etc)
> pop your big dps creatures on bigger room and let it stay there on aggresivd
> ????
> profit

This game is simple but not that simple. We need to use our brain, extra works, some friends and of course a lvl-ed up dinos

[iHaldur]

Just for clearance, i´m talking about difficulty 0 setting. We want a bit fun and a bit of a challenge in the evening. but we dont want to carry around an army suitable for invading other Countries! Even we dont want to transport goods to build Outposts or walls around Castles or "POI"s. Some beds around are fine. Tamed Dinos are weaker than wild dinos, even by wearing saddles! My shadow cat fighting a ruins dung beetle deals 40 Damage, my sword does 219. my sword does 17 to a ruin scorpion, my cat is doing 37. the Mummy King (ruin) is only killabel by hitting him through the closed door. my spear is dealing 17, and my sword is dealing 34 damage, you have to do that for 45 Minutes. Enjoyable if the loot is a Bullet and a Toothpick. btw, you will need 5 full canteens during this fight :) // oh and i accept that shelled cereatures maybe take less damage, but, chitin is less armorable than bone, a mummy King has only bandages around him, the small mummys also only get hits with 29 damage by iron spaer and 219 by steel sword. The Difference between a 100% Iron Steel and Bonesteel sword should be more visible, the Damage output between my Steelsword and my friends bonesteelsword is: 600 Damage.We both have 200% Melee. :D Raw Numbers please, no percentages :) Having a sword capable of doing 1000 Damage and seeing only 800 at the mob, lets me calculate its resistance. but seeing 12.000 at this Dino, and 17 at this Dino, what the actual F?

[VALORANT PLAYER]

Ice ruins are ment to be raided with groups of high lv survivor with lvled-up dps dinos not with a sword and shadow leopard.

Did u even read my previous post that i asked u to read to help u understand the problem?

"Creatures have different base stats (hp, damage, stamina, weight, etc) and resistance (defence), some say they also have elemental multiplier (poison weak to nature, fire is effective against nature, etc)"

[iHaldur]

i told about successful Pyramid raids in the deserts (Mummys, Dung beetle, gem spiders and scorpions). the CAT was just an example. Our 300 Dinos are just unlucky rolls then? (and yes, its our own server with a higher limit than 25 tames)

[VALORANT PLAYER]

Diposting pertama kali oleh iHaldur™:

i told about successful Pyramid raids in the deserts (Mummys, Dung beetle, gem spiders and scorpions). the CAT was just an example. Our 300 Dinos are just unlucky rolls then? (and yes, its our own server with a higher limit than 25 tames)

A tamed and lvl-ed up Rex > 300 shadow leopards.

And ruins creature has high resistance , thats why ur damage become atleast 10 times weaker and a "proper" dps dino will overcome this issue.

[iHaldur]

A Scorpion in the Desert no elite and or ruines one takes ~10 damage more per hit. Not all 300 are shadow cats. and the rex does not fit into a pyramid. Fact: No dino that fits in, is useful. Even a tamed carno gets wrecked by 2 scorpions. So name the Dinos you would take with you, just talking about "proper, and correct choice" doesnt help :P sure, we can build wall around it and fill it with rexes, sure, doable. Worth it? No! Because it does not make fun at all. Wrecking everything with the Rex? Doable, but does not make fun at all, and the Dude is to big for Dungeons :D And if it is true, that Dinos found in one Biome is less effective in another, taking anything anywhere is ridiculous.

[SUKi]

Diposting pertama kali oleh iHaldur™:

A Scorpion in the Desert no elite and or ruines one takes ~10 damage more per hit. Not all 300 are shadow cats. and the rex does not fit into a pyramid. Fact: No dino that fits in, is useful. Even a tamed carno gets wrecked by 2 scorpions. So name the Dinos you would take with you, just talking about "proper, and correct choice" doesnt help :P sure, we can build wall around it and fill it with rexes, sure, doable. Worth it? No! Because it does not make fun at all. Wrecking everything with the Rex? Doable, but does not make fun at all, and the Dude is to big for Dungeons :D And if it is true, that Dinos found in one Biome is less effective in another, taking anything anywhere is ridiculous.

Terror birds fit well there and live with the scorpions near the piramid also. I farm on my birds all the desert creatures except carno which I fear a bit. For carno I'm using 2nd bird to get the buff and kill him this way easily.

[VALORANT PLAYER]

Diposting pertama kali oleh iHaldur™:

A Scorpion in the Desert no elite and or ruines one takes ~10 damage more per hit. Not all 300 are shadow cats. and the rex does not fit into a pyramid. Fact: No dino that fits in, is useful. Even a tamed carno gets wrecked by 2 scorpions. So name the Dinos you would take with you, just talking about "proper, and correct choice" doesnt help :P sure, we can build wall around it and fill it with rexes, sure, doable. Worth it? No! Because it does not make fun at all. Wrecking everything with the Rex? Doable, but does not make fun at all, and the Dude is to big for Dungeons :D And if it is true, that Dinos found in one Biome is less effective in another, taking anything anywhere is ridiculous.

This dude still talking about reduced damage by non dps creature while i already state the problem and how to solve it.

Sarco, direwolf, bigfoot, terror bird, raptor, ghost dragon. They fits easily in some of ruins rooms.

Thats why i said that u have to use your brain and do extra work to survive in this game.

If u want easy things, why dont u just play with admin command since u have ur own server.

[badlad]

the pyramids can be solo'd on foot....havent done an ice castle yet but i'm gonna try the same method....simply take a load of blocks with you.....at each intersection / room, block off the door / passage along the ground and at 3 high level, and poke at the mobs through the middle with a spear or wand.....can take a while but it is safe and achievable

[iHaldur]

Says the dude talking about custom servers with higher stats per spend point for a better experience?

"A good server will have a calculated custom stats so if u choose to spend your SP on hp it'd give u 200 instead of 50 (defaulft), give u 100 weight instead of 5, give u 20% dmg instead of 5%, etc! It works on the tame as well."

I can imagine that your Tames are more effective everywhere.

So not every carnivore can do DPS ( im not talking about slimes -.-)? Get it. But why is a wolve more effective than a shadow cat (no saddle vs. saddle?)? And why is the Raptor more effective? (He doesnt even use his sharp claws!) And why should the terror Bird be more effective?