What is the point of making any content for this game?

[Принцесса Резнов]

Gmod doesn't run like trash and has functional gameplay. Are modders really supposed to make the game for garry then mappers come make maps for the modded games? How many versions of sandbox are there gonna be? What happens when the modder decides to stop supporting their version of sandbox? Are my maps just bricked now if they depended on some quirk of that version? Just seems like a mess. A single functional core gamemode could be an easy way to get people to make maps and serve as a launching point for people to make their own games/gamemodes. Pretty much everything I've seen ingame already has an analog in gmod. Seems like the only thing this has over gmod is how hot it can make my CPU.

[NULLYUKI]

Developer preview

I don't think I need to say more or? Also Garry's Mod has been fully released and s&box hasn't.

[MinusTaurus]

what made gmod great was that you could download all sorts of addons and use them along with your gamemode.

we had wiremod and all that great stuff that got people interested in all sorts of technical things.

in s&box we kinda just get some badly designed and executed "games" that have nothing in common except the engine and that nobody really wants to play.

in gmod when we joined a new server we could be sure it has at least some mods we are familiar with and provide us a reason to play.

i just dont see much of a reason to make anything in this really, the community is extremely toxic, and devs who put in hundreds of hours into actually making games on this get banned without warning and without any reason specified

gmod wa a great game for modders who believe in content sharing and just making stuff for fun and sharing it.
s&box is for salty devs who believe in monetization and egoism.

marketing this game through facepunch wasnt too smart of a move since its just the wrong target audience

[♥Wolly Bignose♥]

When gmod first came out you had nothing like that - gmod is not the first "garrys mod"

Go have a look at the earlier version tell me how perfect it is vs gmod today https://www.moddb.com/mods/garrys-mod/downloads/gmod-904

[NULLYUKI]

The current version of s&box is a

DEVELOPER PREVIEW

which is obviously mainly targeted to developers that wanna play around with it and learn what they can do with it so far and what possibilities they might have currently and what might become possible in the future.

And Garry's Mod is a game which is not a Developer Preview it is a full released game with stable versions which is not only targeted for developers and can be enjoyed by casual players who just wanna have some gaming fun with their friends.

[MinusTaurus]

Originally posted by NULLYUKI:

The current version of s&box is a

DEVELOPER PREVIEW

which is obviously mainly targeted to developers that wanna play around with it and learn what they can do with it so far and what possibilities they might have currently and what might become possible in the future.

And Garry's Mod is a game which is not a Developer Preview it is a full released game with stable versions which is not only targeted for developers and can be enjoyed by casual players who just wanna have some gaming fun with their friends.

:qr:

the s&box developer preview isnt exactly new, we have been testing it and making games with it for years actually, its just that most of the people who got invited either got bored of the engine quickly, or were disgusted by the community and left, or randomly got banned.

this community is just totally mismanaged and this is where we are now.

also, ur argument about this being a developer preview is kinda invalid, since gmod 9 was much more simplistic than this, yet people had fun because there were addons and a proper sandbox u could play with instead of just bad gamemodes lol

[NULLYUKI]

While I agree that sometimes its nicer to see things being managed with a focus on a clear overview on everything, it was already foreseen that the development gonna be chaotic and with the public release that the community will be even in more chaos because of no employees/volunteers that are focusing on the management of the community.

In my eyes, their focus right now is in the development which is already a chaos in its own, especially with how the development first started and the sudden Engine switch.

Will things improve in the future in this community? - Probably, depending on when there are enough people that can put a focus on it.

The developers are probably people who might not have the time, sanity or motivation really to also focus on managing the people in the community, they probably have already enough from their IDE screaming at them when the code does not function.

[Принцесса Резнов]

Originally posted by NULLYUKI:

Developer preview

I don't think I need to say more or? Also Garry's Mod has been fully released and s&box hasn't.

:qr:

The earliest version of gmod had a basic gamemode which could have maps compiled for and ran with it. This game doesn't have that. The hammer editor is hidden away and it's like they don't want you to use it because it just exports the whole map into some jank scene editor. At it's earliest state, gmod was more functional as both a normal videogame and as what s&box is pretending to be.

[NULLYUKI]

The difference between the earliest version of Garry's Mod and the current version of s&box is, that the version from Garry's Mod was surely NOT a developer preview as back then something like this didn't really existed, while s&box is again a developer preview version, mainly targeted for developers right now. So right now, s&box is not functioning as a game, it is functioning as a toy for the developers to try out and help improve while also creating some interesting things.

[Принцесса Резнов]

If it's a toy for developers, WHY should I develop anything for it? You can't just make a pile of ♥♥♥♥, call it a toy and expect people to play with it.

[NULLYUKI]

In order to help the developers find bugs that needs to be fixed, Feature requests, discuss some aspects with other developers who are making a game in it.

If you are not happy with the developer preview then just wait until its no longer a developer preview

[Death to intel]

Originally posted by NULLYUKI:

The difference between the earliest version of Garry's Mod and the current version of s&box is, that the version from Garry's Mod was surely NOT a developer preview as back then something like this didn't really existed, while s&box is again a developer preview version, mainly targeted for developers right now. So right now, s&box is not functioning as a game, it is functioning as a toy for the developers to try out and help improve while also creating some interesting things.

:qr:

why is garry paying people to make games for game jam if this is a developer preview for developers

[Принцесса Резнов]

People have to actually develop things for it to ever stop being a developer preview. Maybe garry can be a little trailblazer and get us all started. I can't make assets for this "developer preview" because there's no game to use them in. I can't make maps for this "developer preview" because there's no game to use them in. If it's a game development tool, why would I ever use it? I could use Unity, Unreal, Godot, Flash, I could even just make a source mod and have a version of the hammer editor that isn't chopped up and stripped down by a third party.

[NULLYUKI]

Originally posted by Killa:

Originally posted by NULLYUKI:

The difference between the earliest version of Garry's Mod and the current version of s&box is, that the version from Garry's Mod was surely NOT a developer preview as back then something like this didn't really existed, while s&box is again a developer preview version, mainly targeted for developers right now. So right now, s&box is not functioning as a game, it is functioning as a toy for the developers to try out and help improve while also creating some interesting things.

why is garry paying people to make games for game jam if this is a developer preview for developers

The game jam was before a public developer preview version was released.

[NULLYUKI]

Originally posted by Rat:

People have to actually develop things for it to ever stop being a developer preview. Maybe garry can be a little trailblazer and get us all started. I can't make assets for this "developer preview" because there's no game to use them in. I can't make maps for this "developer preview" because there's no game to use them in. If it's a game development tool, why would I ever use it? I could use Unity, Unreal, Godot, Flash, I could even just make a source mod and have a version of the hammer editor that isn't chopped up and stripped down by a third party.

There are gamemodes in s&box right now that can be played.

[Принцесса Резнов]

Originally posted by NULLYUKI:

Originally posted by Rat:

People have to actually develop things for it to ever stop being a developer preview. Maybe garry can be a little trailblazer and get us all started. I can't make assets for this "developer preview" because there's no game to use them in. I can't make maps for this "developer preview" because there's no game to use them in. If it's a game development tool, why would I ever use it? I could use Unity, Unreal, Godot, Flash, I could even just make a source mod and have a version of the hammer editor that isn't chopped up and stripped down by a third party.

There are gamemodes in s&box right now that can be played.

:qr:

I'll get right on making my cookie clicker map or a TTT map for the worst running version of TTT.