Worst Weapons - Ones Which You Always Avoid

[Toki]

Hey!

Which weapons do you dislike using the most?
What would you recommend people don't bother unlocking?

Hayabusa Boots were kinda the item for me. I had mad strength and unlocked them and went to fight a boss and they were kinda useless. And I'd have easily defeated the boss with the weapon I had before the high level Hayabusa Boots.

Also maybe Ice Crossbow? How do you guys feel about this one?
The idea is to freeze someone, roll up to them and crit them in the face with it.
But I dunno if it's super good. Since it can usually only combo once per fight and then the delay between shots gets kinda dangerous for the weapon to be actually used.
War Spear also has the annoying delay.


How about must have weapons? Which ones do you think are the best?

[Colonel Mustache]

Man, Spartan Sandals are so fun, but they've always been TERRIBLE. The shield update made them even more obsolete.

[ChaosSabre]

Weapons to avoid from my expirience - Oiled Sword, Impaler, The Nutcracker, Spartan and Spiked boots ( even though I like them they are not good ), Hayabusa Boots , Swift Sword ( fun weapon to use but it's gimmick is useless on higher cells ) , Meat skewer ( fun combo but it will get you killed ) Hokuto's Bow ( this weapon is just bad in every way, absolutly do not unlock ), Ice Crossbow , Explosive Crossbow ( way too slow and it's damage is really not that great ), Shove Shield , Front Line Shield ( absolutly trash, you always want to be able to parry, shield holding is really not that useful ), Ceiling Turret ( while it's a good skill it doesn't work in a lot of boss rooms and certain areas ) Biter Swarm, Oil Grenade, Tonic ( it's really bad now ) , Vampirism , Toxic Cloud. And that should be my list of weapons that are a waste to get.

[Phirestar]

Electric Whip
I don’t see any use for it, personally. Bad damage, and doesn’t accomplish anything that can’t be done with another weapon. If you an auto-lock weapon to deal with Kamakazis, just take the Throwing Knives - they deal great damage, and can combo with other items (such as the Sadist’s Dagger).

Impaler
The critical strike requirement is too niche, in my opinion, and its damage otherwise doesn’t impress me. Unless you have the Spartan Sandals or Shove shield, enemies won’t be up against a wall very often. And besides, the War Spear simply is way more effective, especially in higher boss cell runs where there’s tons of mobs everywhere. (And the change made to continuing combos after rolling has made it even better.)

[Dk guillotine]

引用自 Phirestar：

Electric Whip
I don’t see any use for it, personally. Bad damage, and doesn’t accomplish anything that can’t be done with another weapon. If you an auto-lock weapon to deal with Kamakazis, just take the Throwing Knives - they deal great damage, and can combo with other items (such as the Sadist’s Dagger).

Impaler
The critical strike requirement is too niche, in my opinion, and its damage otherwise doesn’t impress me. Unless you have the Spartan Sandals or Shove shield, enemies won’t be up against a wall very often. And besides, the War Spear simply is way more effective, especially in higher boss cell runs where there’s tons of mobs everywhere. (And the change made to continuing combos after rolling has made it even better.)

The impaler can actully be pretty ridiculous on a all brutality run.

[lilac]

u're kinda asking the wrong question, we shouldn't be thinking about avoiding to unlock items, that we also never could test.
the real question is:
why didn't the devs implement item pool control yet?
meaning the option to lock items again in whatever way, so u don't have to have 2 save slots (one favorites/strong items and one all items unlocked) or more..... to enjoy the game how u want.

item pool control has been requested several times on the forums, it might be the most requested feature atm, i really really hope they get to it soon, because i wanna play around with all items, have 100 unlocked full rng runs and have limited pool runs, like u do! and everyone here does too.

PLEASE DEVS GIVE US ITEM POOL CONTROL!

[Dk guillotine]

引用自 cataria NET NEUTRALITY=LIFE：

u're kinda asking the wrong question, we shouldn't be thinking about avoiding to unlock items, that we also never could test.
the real question is:
why didn't the devs implement item pool control yet?
meaning the option to lock items again in whatever way, so u don't have to have 2 save slots (one favorites/strong items and one all items unlocked) or more..... to enjoy the game how u want.

item pool control has been requested several times on the forums, it might be the most requested feature atm, i really really hope they get to it soon, because i wanna play around with all items, have 100 unlocked full rng runs and have limited pool runs, like u do! and everyone here does too.

PLEASE DEVS GIVE US ITEM POOL CONTROL!

That could be cool.

[Toki]

引用自 Cha0zb0rn：

Personal Opinion from what I've unlocked. I'm really afraid to unlock more weapons since most of them are very bad or even terrible.

Terrible:
Blood Sword
Oiled Sword...

Hey! Thank you! That's an impressive list.
It's nice to be able to see someone rank a bunch of items by tiers.
Thank you.

[Toki]

引用自 ChaosSabre：

Weapons to avoid from my expirience - Oiled Sword, Impaler, The Nutcracker, Spartan and Spiked boots ( even though I like them they are not good ), Hayabusa Boots , Swift Sword ( fun weapon to use but it's gimmick is useless on higher cells ) , Meat skewer ( fun combo but it will get you killed ) Hokuto's Bow ( this weapon is just bad in every way, absolutly do not unlock ), Ice Crossbow , Explosive Crossbow ( way too slow and it's damage is really not that great ), Shove Shield , Front Line Shield ( absolutly trash, you always want to be able to parry, shield holding is really not that useful ), Ceiling Turret ( while it's a good skill it doesn't work in a lot of boss rooms and certain areas ) Biter Swarm, Oil Grenade, Tonic ( it's really bad now ) , Vampirism , Toxic Cloud. And that should be my list of weapons that are a waste to get.

Thank you! That's a good list.
I'm doing a purist run where I refuse to unlock shady stuff.
You dislike Biter Swarm? I find its ability to preoccupy enemies kinda useful. Why do you dislike it?

[ChaosSabre]

引用自 Kythos：

引用自 ChaosSabre：

Weapons to avoid from my expirience - Oiled Sword, Impaler, The Nutcracker, Spartan and Spiked boots ( even though I like them they are not good ), Hayabusa Boots , Swift Sword ( fun weapon to use but it's gimmick is useless on higher cells ) , Meat skewer ( fun combo but it will get you killed ) Hokuto's Bow ( this weapon is just bad in every way, absolutly do not unlock ), Ice Crossbow , Explosive Crossbow ( way too slow and it's damage is really not that great ), Shove Shield , Front Line Shield ( absolutly trash, you always want to be able to parry, shield holding is really not that useful ), Ceiling Turret ( while it's a good skill it doesn't work in a lot of boss rooms and certain areas ) Biter Swarm, Oil Grenade, Tonic ( it's really bad now ) , Vampirism , Toxic Cloud. And that should be my list of weapons that are a waste to get.

Thank you! That's a good list.
I'm doing a purist run where I refuse to unlock shady stuff.
You dislike Biter Swarm? I find its ability to preoccupy enemies kinda useful. Why do you dislike it?

It doesn't really do any damage. And they die too fast. Plus once you upgrade weapons it's so easy to get a affix that does that already. It's kinda a waste of a slot. Sure they do crowd control a bit ( as I said the biters die way too fast to be useful ) but you are way better off getting something like freeze grenade or ivy grenade.

[Toki]

引用自 ChaosSabre：

引用自 Kythos：

Thank you! That's a good list.
I'm doing a purist run where I refuse to unlock shady stuff.
You dislike Biter Swarm? I find its ability to preoccupy enemies kinda useful. Why do you dislike it?

It doesn't really do any damage. And they die too fast. Plus once you upgrade weapons it's so easy to get a affix that does that already. It's kinda a waste of a slot. Sure they do crowd control a bit ( as I said the biters die way too fast to be useful ) but you are way better off getting something like freeze grenade or ivy grenade.

You like Ivy Grenade? I feel its lack of stun feels a bit meh.
I currently have like a run where I've unlocked almost no gear. Blood Sword, Stun and Ice Grenade and just for certain good items have been unlocked.

Wondering if I should get Alchemical Pistol.

[ChaosSabre]

引用自 Kythos：

引用自 ChaosSabre：

It doesn't really do any damage. And they die too fast. Plus once you upgrade weapons it's so easy to get a affix that does that already. It's kinda a waste of a slot. Sure they do crowd control a bit ( as I said the biters die way too fast to be useful ) but you are way better off getting something like freeze grenade or ivy grenade.

You like Ivy Grenade? I feel its lack of stun feels a bit meh.
I currently have like a run where I've unlocked almost no gear. Blood Sword, Stun and Ice Grenade and just for certain good items have been unlocked.

Wondering if I should get Alchemical Pistol.

Ivy grenade prevents enemies from turning around. Same way bear trap does. So if you have something like assasin's dagger it's free backstabs. As for alchemic pistol I still need to max it out and do a full run with it only to see how viable it is.

[Darthzz]

Actually the electric whip is pretty fun to use when upgraded.

[Cha0zb0rn]

引用自 miao：

Actually the electric whip is pretty fun to use when upgraded.

Fun =/= viable, the item deals sh*tty dmg. can't crit and doesn't even stagger opponents....

[Darthzz]

引用自 Cha0zb0rn：

引用自 miao：

Actually the electric whip is pretty fun to use when upgraded.

Fun =/= viable, the item deals sh*tty dmg. can't crit and doesn't even stagger opponents....

When upgraded it does decent damage at really fast speeds.

[CheeseyCreepy]

引用自 Bort：

It's a sign of a good game when one person's junk weapon is another person's OP boss-killer.

Couldn't agree more :)