Concierge on 1BC

[Cannon Fodder]

So...how the ♥♥♥♥ are you supposed to kill him period? I can't not get pushed back by his stupid white aura, and then pressed into a corner and ultimately butt ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by his red thorns. And evidently you can dodge "everything" in this cursed game except that, because try as I might, 100 no-hit runs, 0 or 1bc level have been thwarted trying to get around this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Short of hoping RNGesus loves me and gives me decent wolf traps to hold him in place, or holding onto them forever potentially passing up far superior equipment, what else is there to do about this ♥♥♥♥-stick?

[bobhome2]

So, to start:

It may be obvious, but more DPS = always better. The less time you have to fight bosses, the less chance they have to hit you.

Turrets and other automated damage dealers are a massive weakness for the big dude. So if you're running tactics, you'll probably have it dead before it actually makes it over to your starting position.

Otherwise, you're in for a bit more of a challenge. It's often best to fight Concierge in the center of the arena. Get close, dodge or parry the attack, and get hits in. Rinse and repeat until he starts the next phase.

Once he starts the AoE attack, stay back from him while the aura is in effect. More often that not, he'll either do his ground ripple attack, or jump at you. For the ripple: jump over it. For the leap: roll out of the way. Usually, by the time he leaps the aura's running out. Rinse and repeat, and he'll be down in no time.

[FlintX]

Easy, learn his patterns, dodge and attack. His moveset is pathetic, it is a tutorial boss.

[Cannon Fodder]

DPS only applies to tactics? I always stack Brutality...I figured DPS was kind of, you know...in the name, lol.

Originally posted by FlintX:

Easy, learn his patterns, dodge and attack. His moveset is pathetic, it is a tutorial boss.

I Know his moveset, but I everytime I start getting pinched into the sides of the arena and am about to move toward the center, his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ aura pushes back, next thing I know he throws up thorns and just walks into me. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if one could roll through it (like *everything* else in the game)

[bobhome2]

Originally posted by Cannon Fodder:

DPS only applies to tactics? I always stack Brutality...I figured DPS was kind of, you know...in the name, lol.

I mentioned that tactics is good when using turrets and other automated DPS dealers, since they scale with it.

I mentioned that, in general, higher DPS is good, since Concierge has/had rather high HP. I see my time typing was SUPER well-spent.

[Cannon Fodder]

Originally posted by bobhome2:

Originally posted by Cannon Fodder:

DPS only applies to tactics? I always stack Brutality...I figured DPS was kind of, you know...in the name, lol.

I mentioned that tactics is good when using turrets and other automated DPS dealers, since they scale with it.

I mentioned that, in general, higher DPS is good, since Concierge has/had rather high HP. I see my time typing was SUPER well-spent.

Don't get snarky, I was just clarifying, jfc... I'm litterally trying some more tactics based builds right now because I used to focus Brutality/survival before.

[bobhome2]

If you needed clarification, then I do, too. Where did I say that DPS was only important for tactics?

Here's the thing. I've been playing this game for quite a while, but I have no idea how long you have. I don't know what you know about the game. I've seen people beat the Hand on 0BC with a rainbow build... so skill level can vary wildly.

That means I start at the baseline and work my way up.

If you felt I was talking down to you, well, that's on you.

Good luck with 1BC.

[dsas99944]

Brutality, tactics and really any build is fine against the concierge just stun or freeze him when his charging up his red ring and wait for it to expire, then your good to go. You can also dodge roll the ring but its possible to get clipped by it if you arent precise in your roll. When he jumps at you dodge roll and when he slams the ground, jump. Dodge roll when hes about to hit you at close distance and thats really all there is to the concierge. 0-1 bc is really only hard because of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ tier weapons you get. To alleviate the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of rng try to play on 1bc and upgrade the forge. Will take a really long time but eventually ur gonna get gear that dont suck.

[Cannon Fodder]

Originally posted by bobhome2:

So, to start:

It may be obvious, but more DPS = always better. The less time you have to fight bosses, the less chance they have to hit you.

Turrets and other automated damage dealers are a massive weakness for the big dude. So if you're running tactics,

Reading that is where i got the idea that you were IMPLYING tactics was critical to DPS, as opposed to Brutality or Survival

Originally posted by bobhome2:

If you felt I was talking down to you, well, that's on you.

Originally posted by bobhome2:

I see my time typing was SUPER well-spent.

Sure...wasn't dripping with sarcasm or anything right? I wasn't ungrateful for your input, I was trying to get more information, but ♥♥♥♥ me I guess.

Originally posted by netter man:

Brutality, tactics and really any build is fine against the concierge just stun or freeze him when his charging up his red ring and wait for it to expire, then your good to go. You can also dodge roll the ring but its possible to get clipped by it if you arent precise in your roll. When he jumps at you dodge roll and when he slams the ground, jump. Dodge roll when hes about to hit you at close distance and thats really all there is to the concierge. 0-1 bc is really only hard because of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ tier weapons you get. To alleviate the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of rng try to play on 1bc and upgrade the forge. Will take a really long time but eventually ur gonna get gear that dont suck.

Fair point. I think I was just hoping there was a way around cheesing "hold in place" equipment, because it seems like since everything is dodgeable or parry-able, it sets such an odd precedent that this guy has been walking around with an attack that, if you somehow get put into a counter is almost impossible to not get hit, which when the developer says they tried to make the game feel as if when something happened it was because you messed up, not based on poor mechanics, this feels like an oversight considering none of the other bosses have this issue. Granted...Yeah, just don't get stuck in a corner, but if you roll once and he pops his white barrier and it pushes you far enough away before you can roll back then you're just screwed.

[dsas99944]

My bad i never thought about rolling when he iniates invincibility phase but yeah when he puts up the white barrier you should just wait for it to disappear then play accordingly. The white barrier is really just there so you dont abuse the ♥♥♥♥ out of the concierge because hes a really slow moving boss until he gets into his last few phases. But i do believe that the root grenade goes through shields so maybe you could try that if you really want to keep the concierge perma stun.

[FlintX]

Originally posted by Cannon Fodder:

DPS only applies to tactics? I always stack Brutality...I figured DPS was kind of, you know...in the name, lol.

Originally posted by FlintX:

Easy, learn his patterns, dodge and attack. His moveset is pathetic, it is a tutorial boss.

I Know his moveset, but I everytime I start getting pinched into the sides of the arena and am about to move toward the center, his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ aura pushes back, next thing I know he throws up thorns and just walks into me. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if one could roll through it (like *everything* else in the game)

The aura is there exacty to make the boss less pathetic and more challenging. He activates the aura whatever he hits the HP thresholds or after a specific move while he is at 1/4 of his HP, that is also a pattern. At the start of the fight he will just activate the aura randomly as he takes damage. You just need to pay attention in the sound that it makes and move away.

On the last phase his moves will be: The ground slam that you have to jump if you are far from him, the lunge at you, the punch if he lands close to you after the lunge and the red aura if he took some damage. If you are close he will either Punch > Ground slam > Lunge > Aura > Repeat or Punch > Lunge > Ground Slam > Aura. Now if he lands far away from you after the lunge he will always do another Ground Slam and another Lunge just after, but he could activate the Aura before that. There is a way to loop his punch move with a shield parry in his last phase, making the fight complete easy but if he is bleeding, poisoned or burning he will panick and will start to randomly spam his moves, making it hard to predict.

[Cannon Fodder]

I want to point out I can take him down with the wolf traps with no issue. I just don't get why his damn thorns thing was made *nearly* impossible to dodge (i've honestly never seen it done). I hate using the traps, personally. There are about half a dozen other things I'd rather have so having to rely on it makes me bitter, lol.

[Moon]

Originally posted by Gnodab:

there are situations where he roars you into a corner and walks into you with his barrier active and there's actually nothing you can do.

Actually, you can by dodge-rolling constantly while he's in the middle of the bridge. So if he fires up his aura it's depleted before he can corner you.
https://youtu.be/wtmAR0I-XSA

[Moon]

I'm not disputing that the design can be improved. I'm simply saying that if you stay in the middle and do your attacks there he won't actually be able to corner you. I concentrate on him but not on his HP bar.

[FlintX]

Originally posted by Cannon Fodder:

I want to point out I can take him down with the wolf traps with no issue. I just don't get why his damn thorns thing was made *nearly* impossible to dodge (i've honestly never seen it done). I hate using the traps, personally. There are about half a dozen other things I'd rather have so having to rely on it makes me bitter, lol.

You are making it sound impossible to dodge and it is not. Concierge is the most easy boss to manipulate A.I. And to avoid being cornered into walls by his red aura you just need to keep him in the center of the arena or lure him to each extremity and roll past him to the other side. It is the easiest boss to get the No Damage door at any difficulty.

[Cannon Fodder]

Originally posted by Gnodab:

The Concierge is the first boss they put into the game during Alpha. He's definitely showing his age in that yes, there are situations where he roars you into a corner and walks into you with his barrier active and there's actually nothing you can do. Just accept it for now and work around it as best as you can.

Point is, if you're taking more than chip damage from him you can play the fight better. He's not perfectly fair, but once you learn his patterns you can defeat him every time with any setup. Just don't be cursed :P

Actually that's exactly it, I'm not taking more than a single hit most of the time. It's usually one *bad* situation where a roll SHOULD get me out of the way but it just can't. I'm just PO'd here because I feel cheated because these devs claim *I* should feel like I messed up when I'm schmucked by an enemy, but his red thorns are not the case. Hit by his melee? Absolutely my fault. Hit by his earthquake. Absolutely my fault. Hit by his leap? My bad. But in a one-screen limited boss fight where at some point or another you're going to HAVE to roll past him, and on a long enough timeline the two things (rolling past him, and his thorn activation) will align, it seems cheap for the only solution to be "Well I guess you have to chock this no-hit run as a loss then"