what's so good about knife storm?

[iYosh]

i've seen some people praise knife storm but it strikes me as pure garbage. it's alright at point blank but the cooldown takes forever.
am i missing something or is it just poorly balanced?

[Blargo]

It's really good against swarms of flying enemies.
It's pretty average in any other situation.

[PogGamer]

Pros:
1-Set it and forget it type. Hits all around without needing to aim.
2-Can do multiple hits at close range
3-Easily takes care of any flying enemy

Cons:
1-Long cooldown
2-Low typical DPS

I don't know how you got to it being "pure garbage." If you want pure garbage take a look at the shovel. If you can choose one skill as a starting skill Knife Storm seems like a good fit. It takes care of weak enemies and can do upwards of 3 stacks at once if needed. It handles decently against all enemies and has no obvious downside like flame turret in the water.

I do personally prefer Cluster Bomb or regular grenade for their low CDs since I don't like waiting around.

[Frosthaven]

If you want pure garbage take a look at the shovel

Strong Weapon with 2 fairly quick early swings and a 3rd swing that literally has a massive hit box all around you including above your character and both sides? A weapon you can stand still with and kill any and all flying creatures without ever moving or even facing the right way? Oh I disagree.

[WereChicken]

When you're close to a bigger enemy you can sometimes get 3 stacks of bleeding on them, also is a ranged bleeding inflicter that doesn't need ammo.

I watched a run by northern lion, last night, where he had a clusterbomb with +100% damage to bleeding targets and bladestorm. It was a combo that got him all the way to the final (current) boss. That and as kunai the inflicted bleeding on all nearby targets when it killed an enemy.

[iYosh]

Originally posted by L.A.G. PZ:

Pros:
1-Set it and forget it type. Hits all around without needing to aim.
2-Can do multiple hits at close range
3-Easily takes care of any flying enemy

Cons:
1-Long cooldown
2-Low typical DPS

I don't know how you got to it being "pure garbage." If you want pure garbage take a look at the shovel. If you can choose one skill as a starting skill Knife Storm seems like a good fit. It takes care of weak enemies and can do upwards of 3 stacks at once if needed. It handles decently against all enemies and has no obvious downside like flame turret in the water.

i called it pure garbage, because it's on the same level as bear trap and grappling hook for me. i only ever pick them up, if i have nothing else.
let's compare it to other skills:
magnetic grenade has the same CD and has the same pros you listed but does it strictly better.
cluster bomb has half the CD and has the same pros, unless you toss it in the opposite direction.

i haven't downloaded the elemental update but shovel sounds like a weapon to me.
skills and weapons shouldn't be compared, because they are not incompetition. you never have to decide between knife storm or shovel.

i don't dislike knife storm per se. the cooldown seems twice as long as it should be though.

[!?!]

You can needle their face and gtfo and then they die.
3 stacks of bleed is a lot of damage.
What is not to understand?

[Krosis_x90]

Originally posted by Frosthaven:

If you want pure garbage take a look at the shovel

Strong Weapon with 2 fairly quick early swings and a 3rd swing that literally has a massive hit box all around you including above your character and both sides? A weapon you can stand still with and kill any and all flying creatures without ever moving or even facing the right way? Oh I disagree.

Thia. AND, cool a.f

[Strawbs]

One of my best runs was with a knifestorm that had ''If an enemy dies while bleeding, nearby enemies bleed'' and the sadist sword. Pop the knifestorm, crit the first (or multiple victims if you're in the middle of a group), all surrounding enemies get bleed too and from there on, it's crit after crit. With that trait, the knifestorm is godlike, and without it I still think it's decent, especially with sadist sword.

[nightshift]

Originally posted by Storm:

One of my best runs was with a knifestorm that had ''If an enemy dies while bleeding, nearby enemies bleed'' and the sadist sword. Pop the knifestorm, crit the first (or multiple victims if you're in the middle of a group), all surrounding enemies get bleed too and from there on, it's crit after crit. With that trait, the knifestorm is godlike, and without it I still think it's decent, especially with sadist sword.

Bless this post.
The Knife Storm is the only thing that validates the Sadist Sword and the two together are the ultimate boss killer combo. Pop it and just maul away critting every single hit until it recharges.
Against mobs it's also great when you find one that goes through all enemies and especially with the above mentioned enemy dies bleeding, other's will bleed too - version. I also like the "trigger and forget"-trait of it. just drop down from a ledge and BAM. You can also equip one in both slot for additional spamming or maximum destruction. Other weapons can do increased damage to bleeding enemies (wonder if I can find that featured in a Sadist Sword...).
Sadist sword is also great with the Bleed Shield, just parry once and finish it off.



I just recently discover the skills and their true potential that I neglected using before, like the Frost Blast. It's casting speed got reduced greatly but the best thing about it is that it can freeze the Shield Bearers even from the front.

[pop pop]

there is 2 affixes that make knife storm crazy strong.
bleed also poison enemyes or bleed spreads to neardy enemeys when bleeding enemy dies.
shots pierce might also help but not as much as two above

i like it to focus down enmyes with big hitboxes. if you use it in midroll you can hit with all 8 knifes while rolling throught something.
risky but powerfull

[Apate]

also dislike the knife storm, grenades, toxic cloud may do better

[Pixel Peeper]

I only got it once, but it was pretty damn good. I didn't really care about the longer cooldown because it took out the hook dudes instantly (I didn't need a second use right away) and the Watcher took a remarkable amount of damage from a single use too.

Also, it was particularly good against flying enemies. These often protect each other from explosions (you might have noticed flyers not taking any damage despite being well within the blast radius), but they can't really do anything against piercing knives.

[frisch]

Knife storm is (as most items) only good with synergies and the correct affixes. For example I'd never pick up a knife storm that hasn't at least "pierces the first enemy".

Shovel is ok, too. It should get a very small damage or attack speed buff tho but if people say it sucks, they haven't fought off the mecha spiders with the shovel yet.

Originally posted by nightshiftgamer:

The Knife Storm is the only thing that validates the Sadist Sword and the two together are the ultimate boss killer combo. Pop it and just maul away critting every single hit until it recharges.

If you think knive storm is good with sadist sword, wait until you find a frost grenade with "enemy bleeds when it thaws out". As soon as the enemy is able to move again (unfreezes) you do crit hits. Most of the time only one or two hits are needed at that point.

[BoGG]

You're entitled to your own opinion but calling it pure garbage is simply wrong. For me the Knife Storm is one of the best skills I've been using, you simply get to the right spot then trigger it to kill a whole group pretty rapidly. Pre-update my best combo was probably Knife Storm + Death Orb.

[WereChicken]

Knife storm is a skill I'm personally kind of meh on. It's alright if I've got a bleed synergy going on, but otherwise tend to ignore.

I think that's the good part of this game. With all the skills and weapons available people have different preferences based on how they like to play.