Fallout Shelter
Crow Oct 17, 2022 @ 8:45am
560 Lunchboxes and not one Piper. 🤣
Yes, I actually spend real money on this game. bite me.
Last edited by Crow; Oct 18, 2022 @ 5:38am
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Mardoin69 Oct 17, 2022 @ 9:46am 
Wow! YOU are a sucker for punishment. lol Chances for getting legendary dweller drops from lunchboxes is pretty low. Most the time, lunchboxes are just a bunch of crap.....definitely not worth spending real money for. But, if you got dough to throw away, you go for it. The rest of us just use a Save editor for the game to 'cheat' in stuff we struggle too much with.....like getting legendary dwellers.
MindShift83 Oct 17, 2022 @ 11:20pm 
You spent 100$ of real money on a game that has an savegame editor since day 1?
What a smart person you are...
Crow Oct 18, 2022 @ 5:24am 
Originally posted by MindShift83:
You spent 100$ of real money on a game that has an savegame editor since day 1?
What a smart person you are...
Oh nice. I appreciate the unnecessary rude comment. I don't know if your parents ever taught you this but if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. Spending real money on a game doesn't make me dumb, I have money to spend and I'll spend it on whatever I like, especially if it helps supports the game. Thanks. :VBOY:
Last edited by Crow; Oct 18, 2022 @ 5:25am
macragge Oct 18, 2022 @ 6:25am 
wow, save editor, so you are cheating. no wonder steam doesn't get the new update, its because of you cheaters.
Mardoin69 Oct 18, 2022 @ 9:57am 
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"wow" sure a lot of opinionated ppl in this forum lately. First of all, cheating is something you can do in almost any / all games there are to play. Second, if that's what it takes for someone to enjoy a game, then who should be judging them for it? Noboday! But, yeah....the save editor is a real likely candidate as to why Bethesda isn't bothering with the PC version anymore.

And, if someone wants to throw money at people producing products they enjoy.....that isn't stupid...it's consideration....it's giving back to someone who brings you some happiness. Stupid is ppl who are selfish and don't do anything for anyone except themselves. It's ppl like that which will cause a collapse or regression of our society. I don't know about anyone else but, I don't want to go back to the day of trying to scratch out a living from the dirt and making clothes from deer skins. Had enough of that as a kid.
Crow Oct 18, 2022 @ 10:11am 
Originally posted by Mardoin69:
"wow" sure a lot of opinionated ppl in this forum lately. First of all, cheating is something you can do in almost any / all games there are to play. Second, if that's what it takes for someone to enjoy a game, then who should be judging them for it? Noboday! But, yeah....the save editor is a real likely candidate as to why Bethesda isn't bothering with the PC version anymore.

And, if someone wants to throw money at people producing products they enjoy.....that isn't stupid...it's consideration....it's giving back to someone who brings you some happiness. Stupid is ppl who are selfish and don't do anything for anyone except themselves. It's ppl like that which will cause a collapse or regression of our society. I don't know about anyone else but, I don't want to go back to the day of trying to scratch out a living from the dirt and making clothes from deer skins. Had enough of that as a kid.
Thank you for that comment. Yes, it's giving back to someone who brings you happiness. My point exactly.
Crow Oct 18, 2022 @ 10:14am 
Originally posted by macragge:
wow, save editor, so you are cheating. no wonder steam doesn't get the new update, its because of you cheaters.
Yeah, I'm not quite fond with the save editor thing, but it's whatever. We all have our ways of doing things. No judgement here. :VGIRL:
Frozen Oct 18, 2022 @ 7:58pm 
Firestar Oct 20, 2022 @ 11:52pm 
Originally posted by MindShift83:
You spent 100$ of real money on a game that has an savegame editor since day 1?
What a smart person you are...
So you are calling other People stupid but you can't play a Game without cheating to get Stuff that you would normally need to pay for or actually properly play the Game 🙄
No Need to insult People for doing the morally right Thing
zgreystone Oct 22, 2022 @ 6:37am 
Well getting back to the topic. The Lunch boxes and no Piper.
I have gotten:
2 Pipers
2 Prestons
2 Sarahs
Yet still in 2 years I have not been able to get 10 other Legendary Dwellers I still need.
This is my last and only hold up for collecting all of the badges.
I have even gotten some outfits that are no longer in the game list and are not counted as collected, and have no slots in the list. I know collecting all of the outfits, weapons, and junk are not Badge counted but I made the effort to complete the slot list anyhow for myself.
I have not counted how many Lunch Boxes I have earned.
Just more odd stuff to this game.
I have not spent any money on the game.
gareeth Oct 29, 2022 @ 1:14am 
I always support games I play even if they are not being developed so I wouldn't think you need to apologize for supporting the game. To me it's actually odder to spend 100s of hours enjoying something that is pretty decent about having ways to earn the things that make a vault run smoother.

If no one supports games then games get worse.

It's the math of drops I think most players get confused about how random (weighted ) probability works so that each additional lunch box isn't giving you a massive boost in the odds you will see a piper The odds don't change other than the more lunch boxes in a data set the more likely the set is to start to looking like the expected distribution.

It takes a fairly massive set to get close to the expected distribution.

Meanwhile other people may be sitting at the happy end of the probability set. Someone is likely to buy one lunch box and there it is the piper.

Although thinking too much about probability can bring on feelings of nihilism given you'd have to spend way more money than anyone should to have enough opened lunchboxes opened too move what the data set looks like.

I have played a game where players did cooperate to see if an update had altered the probability of some things in ways that made the documentation a lie. In that case the odds were even listed which is rare.

If you are super rich and so that isn't going overboard on lunchboxes while not moving the odds much go for it if it brings you joy. Otherwise review some notes on probability . There's a good backgammon game for Android that explains this in depth while you have the handy dandy stats to prove that eventually you and the AI get doubles a similar amount Some thousands of games later.

That's non-weighted even so good luck on the piper. I try not to have an expected outcome so if I get a lunchbox that is pure crap as it is about supporting the gaming company oh well.

Good luck.
gareeth Oct 29, 2022 @ 2:21am 
Originally posted by Mardoin69:
Wow! YOU are a sucker for punishment. lol Chances for getting legendary dweller drops from lunchboxes is pretty low. Most the time, lunchboxes are just a bunch of crap.....definitely not worth spending real money for. But, if you got dough to throw away, you go for it. The rest of us just use a Save editor for the game to 'cheat' in stuff we struggle too much with.....like getting legendary dwellers.

I doubt everyone does in fact use a save game editor.

Why play a game if every thing that is a bit hard and would make you a better player is cheated away?

If no one spends "real money" on a lunch box given gaming companies tend not to care about playing stats from fairly economically stagnant older games then products like this don't get made. Gaming companies fail and soon we live in a hades scape of pay to win or cheat to win.

The odds are of course low but it's not a failure to opt not to cheat the people who brought you the game out of even a tiny bit of economic support that a more modest number of lunch boxes would bring.

Why would you edit a save because you are struggling? The point of playing a game is to struggle and then overcome not edit it so the joy of being truly good at something you initially sucked at is lost.

Playing games has all sorts of real cognitive benefits that using an editor every time you struggle will not.

That problem here is math. Either in the whole you play a game for hundreds of hours but hey other people will part with the actual money needed to keep that game from being abandonware right? Or in the whole how probability works it is an error to think more lunch boxes changes much and certainly potentially problematic if that money is needed for handy things like rent.

Random probability is the backbone of a lot of games and it's a bit on the demoralizing side sure but you really want to make out like those who do the adult thing and struggle the amount you need to in order to derive any benefit from playing have a screw lose.

They certainly aren't stupid as age related cognitive decline is far more likely in the edit away every struggle crowd. They also support the content you enjoy but not enough to pay for it.

Everyone could benefit from understanding probability but not so they don't support a game but maybe in moderation. Of course given everyone else has to carry the people who like a game enough to play it but however much using "real" money so the very real bills and salaries and facilities can be paid for by those who make games is out of the question.

Most people forget how random weighted probability works which is the key to not going overboard but also in a way to knowing just how lucky you are if you get a few improbable drops in a row.

For the sake of your brain consider opting in to a struggle or two in a game one day. At the very least consider not making out like paying "real" money is a weird thing to do. Games aren't developed by pixel people.
Last edited by gareeth; Oct 29, 2022 @ 2:21am
gareeth Oct 29, 2022 @ 2:34am 
Originally posted by zgreystone:
Well getting back to the topic. The Lunch boxes and no Piper.
I have gotten:
2 Pipers
2 Prestons
2 Sarahs
Yet still in 2 years I have not been able to get 10 other Legendary Dwellers I still need.
This is my last and only hold up for collecting all of the badges.
I

The probability distribution is one that makes things like this happen although that I sometimes have vaults where the same few legendary dwellers keep showing up is the oddity of how it works.

I have spent some money on the game because eventually I always do. as it seems fair with the cost of so much entertainment being much higher per minute. Not a lot as I don't play it often enough and times are not currently great.

Due to how minutely more lunch boxes impact the probability of a dweller dropping I am perfectly content to not go overboard there.

While I frequently bulldoze my vaults this was not an issue for a once good showing on the legendary front. Before cloud saves became normative though when a computer was serviced for something that had zero to do with it's OS so I was not expecting to need games backed up and yet some twit did a clean install and broke the screen which was super fun.

My dweller scrapbook has never quite recovered.

I think I have a few Pipers because random weighted probability is cruel master. I don't expect to ever have them all as I play for a few days a few times a year and spreading out that time to do the weekly quests and so on would get more boxes than playing in jags does.
Crow Oct 29, 2022 @ 6:57am 
Originally posted by gareeth:
I always support games I play even if they are not being developed so I wouldn't think you need to apologize for supporting the game. To me it's actually odder to spend 100s of hours enjoying something that is pretty decent about having ways to earn the things that make a vault run smoother.

If no one supports games then games get worse.

It's the math of drops I think most players get confused about how random (weighted ) probability works so that each additional lunch box isn't giving you a massive boost in the odds you will see a piper The odds don't change other than the more lunch boxes in a data set the more likely the set is to start to looking like the expected distribution.

It takes a fairly massive set to get close to the expected distribution.

Meanwhile other people may be sitting at the happy end of the probability set. Someone is likely to buy one lunch box and there it is the piper.

Although thinking too much about probability can bring on feelings of nihilism given you'd have to spend way more money than anyone should to have enough opened lunchboxes opened too move what the data set looks like.

I have played a game where players did cooperate to see if an update had altered the probability of some things in ways that made the documentation a lie. In that case the odds were even listed which is rare.

If you are super rich and so that isn't going overboard on lunchboxes while not moving the odds much go for it if it brings you joy. Otherwise review some notes on probability . There's a good backgammon game for Android that explains this in depth while you have the handy dandy stats to prove that eventually you and the AI get doubles a similar amount Some thousands of games later.

That's non-weighted even so good luck on the piper. I try not to have an expected outcome so if I get a lunchbox that is pure crap as it is about supporting the gaming company oh well.

Good luck.
Thank you for that. :VGIRL:
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