Respawn of modules and components ?

[DDaddy]

Was excited to start the game again yesterday after the patch. Happy that I could tow my outpost, command module and airlock in one go !, thanks Devs! After settling in a higher orbit around Bethyr, I set out to the Refining stations (1+2) orbiting the planet to get some items. But the place was picked clean and I left empty handed. Such a waste of my time and warp cells. Is there a timer after which these goodies respawn ? Secondly, I have never been able to find other modules in the starter area. Any pro tips ;-) ? cheers!

[CheeseJedi]

Go to Broken Marble (a military zone), loot derelicts (avoid the military station) for warp cells and a detonator, then leave the Bethyr system. :)

All the best loot lies outside of the Bethyr system, you need to explore.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368377403380203520/404827418864517131/New_Info_Map.jpg

[DDaddy]

Originally posted by CheeseJedi:

Go to Broken Marble (a military zone), loot derelicts (avoid the military station) for warp cells and a detonator, then leave the Bethyr system. :)

All the best loot lies outside of the Bethyr system, you need to explore.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368377403380203520/404827418864517131/New_Info_Map.jpg

Thanks mate, appreciate the info.

[casualsailor]

@CheeseJedi

I don't know. I think something has changed. Now maybe the area is just picked clean but I've searched 24 different derelicts and modules around Broken Marble and did not find a single component or warp cell. I found a total of 1 stimpak, 1 refined container and 1 small resource container. That's it.

This morning I found 3 new CMs and thought my luck had changed. They were completely empty. At first I thought oh well that's how it is. But then I noticed that all the interior doors were closed. Who turns around and closes the interior door on the top when they leave? And when I say picked clean, I mean not a single item, no stimpack, ammo, nothing.

So, perhaps there is something wrong with the respawn rate or maybe the server is just really picked over. But there was only 8 ppl on last night and 3 this morning. So even if it is working as designed, I'm not sure the respawn rate will support the number of players you anticipate.

When I got back to my base all my suits and packs were missing. At first I thought I was raided but when I relogged everything was there. So I made a trip back to BM and searched those 3 CMs again, relogging after entering, but they were still empty.

[CheeseJedi]

The loot distribution rules may have changed with this build.

However if you're on a busy server everybody will be going to Broken Marble after fresh start. You'll need to wait for the loot to respawn, perhaps warp away and check others and come back. Look out for AC-ARGs on the radar - if you see lots of them around BM then there's almost certainly going to competetion for those parts.

Also - if you suspect there are parts missing always do a relog - that's a reasonably common bug.

[casualsailor]

And I can appreciate that with the new patch everyone started in the same place. But if 8 ppl can pick a planet and its moons clean in a few hours then the respawn rate would never support an active server with 30+ ppl.

[CheeseJedi]

Agreed, the Bethyr system may need slightly higher item respawn rate than the other areas for this reason, if it hasn't got it already.

Just after a new patch is a guaranteed time for everybody to be doing a fresh start so I suspect this issue will be lessened in time as people get established and the fresh spawn rate is low, but regardless the starter zones may need to be tweaked to lessen the impact of a new patch or server wipe.

[DDaddy]

Especially need more warp cells and some tech to get away from the Bethyr as you suggested and explore. I could of course call in rescue ships and pick them clean, but I don't like to do that. It feel a bit like cheating and somehow a workaround the scarcity and current spawn rates mechanics.

[Fu$ion]

Since the update I haven't found 1 warp cell, searched over a dozen places (not noob ).

[2ugly]

Originally posted by casualsailor:

@CheeseJedi

I don't know. I think something has changed. Now maybe the area is just picked clean but I've searched 24 different derelicts and modules around Broken Marble and did not find a single component or warp cell. I found a total of 1 stimpak, 1 refined container and 1 small resource container. That's it.

This morning I found 3 new CMs and thought my luck had changed. They were completely empty. At first I thought oh well that's how it is. But then I noticed that all the interior doors were closed. Who turns around and closes the interior door on the top when they leave? And when I say picked clean, I mean not a single item, no stimpack, ammo, nothing.

So, perhaps there is something wrong with the respawn rate or maybe the server is just really picked over. But there was only 8 ppl on last night and 3 this morning. So even if it is working as designed, I'm not sure the respawn rate will support the number of players you anticipate.

When I got back to my base all my suits and packs were missing. At first I thought I was raided but when I relogged everything was there. So I made a trip back to BM and searched those 3 CMs again, relogging after entering, but they were still empty.

That was also my experience. Ran out of warp before I could find anything.

The Rub: Needs to be difficult while realistic. Problem, the reduced amount of derelicts and little loot with low respawn timers. Leaving only a few solo players with a chance at surviving the start. Forcing team work as a means to progress. The guy that did find the loot was able to get out of Beth find several more critical parts to that process and now can dish them out to fellow players who were left out in the cold with no loot/parts to find. That's fairly realistic. The Rub down: Not many will like it.

Some devs have worked around the problem with localized loot spawns for the player in the area. Another will not see the same items, if they have already taken the loot. Not many like this approach either. Doesn't apply a realistic amount of necessity to force any player interaction as it would when limited loot is implemented.

The devs need to find the sweet spot. Which may take a few patches.......or some server side tuning if that's all it is.

The random spawn of parts on start might need to be static at your starter location. Maybe add another derelict to the start location that has a few more parts, but is further out. Giving the tension of putting the player in a tough choice of getting to them before the debris field hits, having to loot another fresh start location, or searching elsewhere for parts. Putting them in a derelict further away will inspire another unlucky player to try and nab someone elses freshstart parts, where they might be unlucky again. (Getting shot, or running out of time before the derelict is destroyed in the next debri field.)

The devs could probably set this derelict up where it will survive one encounter with a debri field without being repaired. If the player doesn't make it out to loot or repair the derelict it has a greater chance at being destroyed the next time. Plus the possibility of it being hit in the first wave of debri by a large piece and getting destroyed should remain. No guarantees that you will always have a successful fresh start.

[casualsailor]

@2ugly I'm not happy about your experience but I'm glad I was not alone. As much as I might appreciate a game which requires teamwork in order to thrive it should not require teamwork to be playable and if it does then it needs to be marketed that way.

[2ugly]

Originally posted by casualsailor:

@2ugly I'm not happy about your experience but I'm glad I was not alone. As much as I might appreciate a game which requires teamwork in order to thrive it should not require teamwork to be playable and if it does then it needs to be marketed that way.

If it was a finished product which it isn't, it's bound to change and balancing issues worked out.
It's playable, but the learning curve has changed once again. Making trail and error another task to find what we are looking for. We may just be doing it wrong...... Will take more hands on from everyone to gather the intel. Forcing the team work is a first impression that may not be needed once we do figure out the new learning curve. But will greatly enhance your progress if available.

[casualsailor]

I'm now conviced that there is a problem with the respawn rates. I created a new character on the Oceania #3 server which I've never seen anyone on. It's sort of my test server where I created an account to do some testing so its in my favorites list. I didn't see anyone on it last night while I was playing nor today. I just got through creating a test account there and took the mule to Broken Marble.

I searched 2 CMs, 1 ARG, 2 CTM, 1 CIM, 1 CSM and 12 Derelicts. I found not a single item. And the boxes in the Mule's cargo hold were closed as were the interior doors of the CM.

Edit: Also the mule's airlocks and cargo door were closed and the ship pressurized.

Now perhaps someone logged in and cleaned the server out without me noticing. But I find it highly unlikely that someone closed those doors and boxes. I find it more likely that those modules/ships spawned without components.

Perhaps one of the devs could look at the stats from that server (Oceania #3) to see how many ppl have logged into it since the update. The account I created was called "test."

I can only report what I saw while testing.

[Pierrot]

I'm playing on my own dedicated server, alone, and I find barely nothing in derelicts, modules and abandonned ships.They are, at 95%, absolutely empty. I've onfly found ship parts and stuff in prefabs station. That's all.

[Grimm Spector]

I have also not found a single warp cell, and no modules, all I find are empty derelicts with nothing in them. Makes it basically impossible to play.

[CheeseJedi]

I'm playing on one of the official EU servers and finding very little loot around Broken Marble - with the number of players in the area currently it seems like only some of the loot is repsawning in derelicts around BM. I've found a rifel mag and two pistol mags so far. And a CM, that was empty but had been raided.