Derail Valley

Derail Valley

Dark Virus Aug 6, 2023 @ 2:30pm
s060 cant get steam while moving?
my dynamo is on and so is the oil. I have a good amount of water in the boiler and I'm stacked on coal... Am I missing something?
Originally posted by Menacing Scarab:
Originally posted by Dark Virus:
ok, ive done that but my issue is that steam isnt building up when traveling at high speeds
Yeah the 060 isn't going to have a lot of pressure if you run really fast with it. I usually shoot for 40-50 max in it. Don't try to run 60 - that's a recipe for no pressure. Also don't try to climb and maintain tons of speed. Make sure to have momentum before you start your climb for sure, but over a long climb you should expect that you will have to slow to maintain enough pressure which mean run with your cutoff pulled back as far as you can without drastically losing speed even though your instinct may be to push it farther and farther to try to gain more speed.

Make sure you have water in the boiler of course and keep enough in there. And then keep your fire raging when at speed to try to build pressure. Keep an eye on your smoke color. If you are on a flat or even a decline make sure you are keeping your regulator open at least a couple notches to keep drafting the fire to build your pressure back up. Don't run the blower at speed. It is just a waste of your steam and won't give you anywhere near the amount of draft that a couple notches of regulator will.

And finally if you are running it hard, expect to need water at every station and maybe coal too. If you run the boiler out of water it will take at least 1/3 of your water tanks (without running a fire) just to try to get it back into the sight glass. Make sure you are using the Expert Shovel instead of the standard one so that you have finer control to not waste coal for the times when you don't need that much fire temp. And final point, when you are running at speed on an even grade you want that cutoff to be as close to dead center as possible to save steam.
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Buzzzz Aug 6, 2023 @ 2:44pm 
1. There are three things to turn on before climbing in to cab.. Air pump, dynamo and lubricator

2. Fill firebox with coal and light it. Close it.

3. open damper and wait until steam is over 6bar

4. Push cuttoff or reverser full forward

5. release handbrake

6. Release train brake and independent brake..

7. Open regulator or throttle... at 5 mph start reducing reverser as speed climbs.

8. aim for 9 bar of pressure and keep water level above half.
Dark Virus Aug 6, 2023 @ 3:19pm 
Originally posted by Buzz313TH:
1. There are three things to turn on before climbing in to cab.. Air pump, dynamo and lubricator

2. Fill firebox with coal and light it. Close it.

3. open damper and wait until steam is over 6bar

4. Push cuttoff or reverser full forward

5. release handbrake

6. Release train brake and independent brake..

7. Open regulator or throttle... at 5 mph start reducing reverser as speed climbs.

8. aim for 9 bar of pressure and keep water level above half.
ok, ive done that but my issue is that steam isnt building up when traveling at high speeds
schutt Aug 6, 2023 @ 5:19pm 
Steam is generated by the hot water. Water is heated up by the fire. To get higher steam pressure you need to heat up the water more, and you heat the water more with a hot fire.
So you want your fire temp at max. That means full coal, dampener on up position, good draft.
You are not trying to generate steam, you are trying to heat up the water.

- good draft: you need draft, which is best to get with regulator open and cutoff set to forward, the more the better but 30% is enough
- no cold water: if you want to heat up the water you should have the injector closed, but since you always need the water lvl in sight you can only close it for a short time. so if you have to add water at least dont add all at once
- no blower: the blower uses up your steam...if you plan right you dont need it. in a pinch you might want to use the blower to heat up the fire faster but if possible keep it closed

The big point here is if you lost your boiler pressure you can not run full reg and therefor can not get good draft, so your energy build up / available power is much much lower if you try to build up pressure from low.
To run effective you can use up the boiler pressure, but if you need power you must keep it up high... or rebuild, but that takes long.

Part of the problem is that the game has the accelerated heat up: when light a cold steam locomotive, it instantly burns all coal you give it and heats up the water faster than it normally does. That saves you waiting 30 minutes. Once it moves that is over and you are back to "normal" heating which is a lot slower. So basically, if you dont retrigger the accerated heating, you must make sure not to waste the pressure to early.
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Menacing Scarab Aug 6, 2023 @ 5:30pm 
Originally posted by Dark Virus:
ok, ive done that but my issue is that steam isnt building up when traveling at high speeds
Yeah the 060 isn't going to have a lot of pressure if you run really fast with it. I usually shoot for 40-50 max in it. Don't try to run 60 - that's a recipe for no pressure. Also don't try to climb and maintain tons of speed. Make sure to have momentum before you start your climb for sure, but over a long climb you should expect that you will have to slow to maintain enough pressure which mean run with your cutoff pulled back as far as you can without drastically losing speed even though your instinct may be to push it farther and farther to try to gain more speed.

Make sure you have water in the boiler of course and keep enough in there. And then keep your fire raging when at speed to try to build pressure. Keep an eye on your smoke color. If you are on a flat or even a decline make sure you are keeping your regulator open at least a couple notches to keep drafting the fire to build your pressure back up. Don't run the blower at speed. It is just a waste of your steam and won't give you anywhere near the amount of draft that a couple notches of regulator will.

And finally if you are running it hard, expect to need water at every station and maybe coal too. If you run the boiler out of water it will take at least 1/3 of your water tanks (without running a fire) just to try to get it back into the sight glass. Make sure you are using the Expert Shovel instead of the standard one so that you have finer control to not waste coal for the times when you don't need that much fire temp. And final point, when you are running at speed on an even grade you want that cutoff to be as close to dead center as possible to save steam.
Dark Virus Aug 6, 2023 @ 5:47pm 
thanks guys! I'll keep those advice close to my heart :praisesun:
Pentium100[LT+EN] Aug 6, 2023 @ 10:00pm 
The S060 can go from the Sawmill to the Goods Factory without filling up assuming you start full, at least I have done it with a 300t or so train. The speed limits in the game seem to change every 300m or even more frequently, so I usually drive at the lower limit instead of pointlessly accelerating just to brake a few seconds later. Most of the way from the Sawmill to the Goods Factory is downhill or level, so the tran can keep coasting most of that time.
Rick Aug 7, 2023 @ 3:34am 
You can easily run it from Sawmill to Goods Factory, I even took a load back to Steel Mill and refueled and only needed 459kg of coal out of 1200 and 2854 liters of water out of 4500.

If you run it full reg everywhere you will blow it up.

Long uphills is really bad for the 060, you need the water injector 2 or 4 clicks open and even then you can't use full regulator and you need to keep the fire temperature atleast at 1000 degrees or higher or the steam pressure will just drop even when slowly filling the boiler, so damper open, and a bit of regulator to keep a draft going and I sometimes have the blower on aswell and even then you will struggle to keep steam pressure up
Smudgy Aug 8, 2023 @ 10:24am 
Also the 0-6-0 uses a lot of water so you can just leave the injector on up to around 30% ( 3 notches on the scrollwheel ) when you get it moving tho 20% ( 2 notches ) should be good all the way without steep change in gradient. Just check if it's getting too low or overfilling and adjust accordingly. Do not dump water into the boiler by turning the injector on full. The cold water will cool down the steam and reduce the pressure
Last edited by Smudgy; Aug 9, 2023 @ 7:58am
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