Train brake on the 060

[Rick]

The 060 is my new favorite locomotive. Just got the license and did my first run from Harbour to Food Factory. I love all the mechanics and thought you have to put into driving it.

But, the train brake is near impossible to work with. I use the scroll wheel to work the levers, 1 'scroll' with the wheel on the trainbrake doesn't do anything and the next scroll takes the brake pressure up to 3 bar and because it takes forever to release the brakes on this train you come to a full stop if you don't pay attention. The only way to use the train brake on the 060 gradually is to click and drag the lever and watch the brake pressure closely but this is pretty hard when you also have to watch ahead for signs, switchings, and managing steam, regulator, coal, water etc.

Am I doing something wrong here or does this need fixing?

[Knsgf]

Non-selflapping brake handle is supposed to have notches, but the developers didn't do that for some unknown reason. The lack of notches makes selecting "Lap" harder than it should be.

[Napalm51]

it just needs a bit of practice, you must look at the needle in the brake pressure gauge, when the application pressure is close to what do you desire you notch it back in the middle position

[Rick]

Just for playability I'd love it if this lever gets notches as Knsgf says, just like the other locomotives.

[River]

not sure what op means. i jsut tested it right now and using the scroll wheel both levers of the 060 got sort of notches to fall in. both have some notches. the upper lever hast more than the lower one which has like 3 positions whilst the alst one is sort of pullable and falls back into the previous notch or so.

[Knsgf]

Not everyone uses mousewheel.

[Rick]

Originally posted by River:

not sure what op means. i jsut tested it right now and using the scroll wheel both levers of the 060 got sort of notches to fall in. both have some notches. the upper lever hast more than the lower one which has like 3 positions whilst the alst one is sort of pullable and falls back into the previous notch or so.

The 'upper lever' is the indepent brake (or locomotive brake) and that one works fine with the scroll wheel and it kinda has notches.

The 'lower lever' is labeled train brake and has a full release setting, then when I give it 1 scroll it still doesn't do anything, the next one gets the brake pressure up to 3 bar and stops the train and when you scroll it again I'm not sure what it does because when you then let go of the lever it falls back into the 3-bar-brake-pressure-position which stops the train. There is no inbetween for 1 bar, 2 bar as there is on litteraly every other locomotive in the game.

[River]

Originally posted by Rick:

Originally posted by River:

not sure what op means. i jsut tested it right now and using the scroll wheel both levers of the 060 got sort of notches to fall in. both have some notches. the upper lever hast more than the lower one which has like 3 positions whilst the alst one is sort of pullable and falls back into the previous notch or so.

The 'upper lever' is the indepent brake (or locomotive brake) and that one works fine with the scroll wheel and it kinda has notches.

The 'lower lever' is labeled train brake and has a full release setting, then when I give it 1 scroll it still doesn't do anything, the next one gets the brake pressure up to 3 bar and stops the train and when you scroll it again I'm not sure what it does because when you then let go of the lever it falls back into the 3-bar-brake-pressure-position which stops the train. There is no inbetween for 1 bar, 2 bar as there is on litteraly every other locomotive in the game.

well my game iss et to german so idk what püositions the independent and the main brake have since i cant know if places swap unless i set it back to english. though is the brake on the 282 working diffrent compared to the 060? both steam engines normally should have the same brake system right?

[Pops]

Originally posted by Rick:

The 'upper lever' is the indepent brake (or locomotive brake) and that one works fine with the scroll wheel and it kinda has notches.

The 'lower lever' is labeled train brake and has a full release setting, then when I give it 1 scroll it still doesn't do anything, the next one gets the brake pressure up to 3 bar and stops the train and when you scroll it again I'm not sure what it does because when you then let go of the lever it falls back into the 3-bar-brake-pressure-position which stops the train. There is no inbetween for 1 bar, 2 bar as there is on litteraly every other locomotive in the game.

You put it in the application position(notch 3) for 1 Mississippi then put it back in the lap potion(notch 2) That is how you get in between settings. It is a lot finer of a control than the self lappers but does take some practice on how long to leave the lever in notch 3 to get the brakes dialed in. If it slows down to much go for a half of a Mississippi on the release notch and then put it in lap

I can run down the corkscrew with just the train brake you just have to get it dialed in.(Harder on lighter weight trains btw)

PS the interaction boxes need some fine tuning in the 060. I can't operate any of the controls from the left side cause the Cut off lever box is to big. And it seems like a dance just to get to the sander

Originally posted by River:

my game iss et to german so idk what püositions the independent and the main brake have since i cant know if places swap unless i set it back to english. though is the brake on the 282 working diffrent compared to the 060? both steam engines normally should have the same brake system right?

Both Steam engines and the DM3 are manual lapping train brakes. Everything else has self lappers. The independent brakes work the same on all the trains. The independent is always forward of the train brake(Pretty sure and I think this is a standard every one follows. Like the gas pedal is always on the right)

[Rick]

Originally posted by Pops:

Originally posted by Rick:

The 'upper lever' is the indepent brake (or locomotive brake) and that one works fine with the scroll wheel and it kinda has notches.

The 'lower lever' is labeled train brake and has a full release setting, then when I give it 1 scroll it still doesn't do anything, the next one gets the brake pressure up to 3 bar and stops the train and when you scroll it again I'm not sure what it does because when you then let go of the lever it falls back into the 3-bar-brake-pressure-position which stops the train. There is no inbetween for 1 bar, 2 bar as there is on litteraly every other locomotive in the game.

You put it in the application position(notch 3) for 1 Mississippi then put it back in the lap potion(notch 2) That is how you get in between settings. It is a lot finer of a control than the self lappers but does take some practice on how long to leave the lever in notch 3 to get the brakes dialed in. If it slows down to much go for a half of a Mississippi on the release notch and then put it in lap

I can run down the corkscrew with just the train brake you just have to get it dialed in.(Harder on lighter weight trains btw)

PS the interaction boxes need some fine tuning in the 060. I can't operate any of the controls from the left side cause the Cut off lever box is to big. And it seems like a dance just to get to the sander

See, this was the answer I was looking for! So turns out I had no idea how the train brake lever is operated in this locomotive...

I will give this a try tonight!

[HuskyDynamics]

Originally posted by Rick:

Originally posted by Pops:

You put it in the application position(notch 3) for 1 Mississippi then put it back in the lap potion(notch 2) That is how you get in between settings. It is a lot finer of a control than the self lappers but does take some practice on how long to leave the lever in notch 3 to get the brakes dialed in. If it slows down to much go for a half of a Mississippi on the release notch and then put it in lap

I can run down the corkscrew with just the train brake you just have to get it dialed in.(Harder on lighter weight trains btw)

PS the interaction boxes need some fine tuning in the 060. I can't operate any of the controls from the left side cause the Cut off lever box is to big. And it seems like a dance just to get to the sander

See, this was the answer I was looking for! So turns out I had no idea how the train brake lever is operated in this locomotive...

I will give this a try tonight!

It's a different design than the other brakes (especially pre-Simulator) and takes some getting used to, but it's not so bad once you get the hang of it.

Also worth noting that this non-self-lapping brake design is shared by the S282 and DM3 as well.

[Japimon]

That and every similar brake really have notches. They just do not *click* how you would think. It really works as intended, just be carefull scrolling your wheel

[Rick]

Well I got the hang of it and yeah it really works as explained here. I'd almost say it's easier to use to!

[Pentium100[LT+EN]]

I had the opportunity to operate a non self-lapping train brake a couple of times (in a steam engine) and what I remember is that the brake hissed in application mode. Here, it only produces sound when in the last, emergency, mode. This tripped me up a few times until I learned to watch the needle.

The main gripe I have with the S060 is that the rear lights do not work - the model has them and a tank engine is supposed to be possible to use backwards.
Also, the cab light is kind-of dim, but it is probably accurate to real life (though IRL I have a much better night vision than how the game looks).

[Knsgf]

Originally posted by Pentium100LT+EN:

The main gripe I have with the S060 is that the rear lights do not work - the model has them and a tank engine is supposed to be possible to use backwards.

Rear lights work if you twist the switch anti-clockwise. But unlike diesels you can't have both front and rear lights on.

[Namdaets]

The brakes on the steam locomotives (also the DM3, maybe others) don't apply a constant breaking force like the other locomotives. They have 4 "notches" that affect the braking behavior differently:

Bottom notch #1 = Refill reservoir and gradually reduce braking force

Second notch #2 = Freeze the brakes exactly where they're currently at. No new braking force is applied, and the reservoir remains at its current pressure

Third notch #3 = Empty reservoir and gradually apply braking force

Fourth notch #4 = Rapidly dump the reservoir to apply maximum train brake (must be held in place otherwise the lever resets to the third position)

So if you're going down an incline and need to reduce speed, you bump the notch into position #3 for a few seconds until the brake pressure is where you want it, and then put the lever into position #2 to hold that brake pressure until you either need more braking force (position #3 or #4) or want to lessen or remove the brakes (position #1).