A few words about Issun

[aaron100]

I hate him.

As far as guid's, support character, go he's prone to stating obvious like "Hey Ammy you have to jump throught this hole" (you don't say) or "You have to hit him in the weak points" (I KNOW ISSUN, you REALLY don't have to tell me that EVERY SINGLE BLOODY TIME), but when you can be stuck somewhere, sometime, his advice looks like "We have to talk to someone"(WHO, ISSUN?) or "We have to do something here"(WHAT, ISSUN?). Basically an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

But his character is even worse: stealing from friend? No problem from Issun. Are you a "hot babe"? Then i will help you, if not, screw you. Did i mentioned he is reaaaly stupid? In third act We are going back 100 years in time, and it's immediately obvious what happens. Issun reaction? "What is this?" Why everybody treats you like an Orochi familiar just like in the legend 100 years old?" "Why this guy is called just like a hero of legend 100 years old?" Why this Kamiki Village looks just like it looked 100 years ago? WHAT DO YOU THINK WHY ISSUN? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

And as much as i love ending of this game i don't buy his change of heart. As an annoing brat he was whole game i'm not going to just simple accept that he's now a good guy, accepting his destiny, just because Waka told him what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ he is. Pffff. No chance. Why Amaterasu likes him will forever be a mystery for me.

TL;DR I wish for him to drown in a puddle of slowly working poison, so he can drown and suffer from poison in that same time.

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I already love this topic. Thanks for bringing it up!

I agree with most of your points but I don't hate Issun, since I pretty much consider him to be an immature child throughout the game, even more than Kokari, but I think he redeems himself in the end.

I don't mind when games give hints to solve puzzles but I'll give you that, it's really annoying when Issun tells you exactly what you have to do before you even try it. Even if you know what you have to do because it's so obvious.

Anyway, disconsidering this because it's more to do with game design than character development, here's what I think about Issun: He's willfully ignorant. We know since the beggining of the game that he understands exactly who Amaterasu is but until the very end acts just as she was just a white wolf, like most other characters behave. He stubbornly refuses to be a Celestial Envoy and follow his grandfathers himself, and by doing that fools himself into accompanying Ammy in an adventure (which looked longer than that of his grandfather mind you) just so he can learn Celestial Brush techniques seemingly just for himself even though Ammy uses it to help others every. Single. Time.

When Waka told what he told to Issun at the Ark, Issun noticed all of this. He fled from his village to avoid being a Celestial Envoy and turned into one anyway without counsciously realizing. In his mind he was just living a carefree life while pissing off his grandfather when in reality he was doing exactly what Ishaku wanted him to do. And he enjoyed it, and I can only imagine how much regret he must have felt when he couldn't board the Ark with Ammy and realizing how much of a spoiled and ungrateful Poncle he was being.

[Musk]

Haha, yeah, he can pretty annoying with all of his "no sh♥t, sherlock" explaining, guiding you through every step of the game. I agree it'd be better if the game would let players experiment more on their own before it helps you out explaining pretty much exactly what you have to do. But I definitely didn't mind all that nearly as much as you ;) I even kinda like Issun, actually.

[Dadang Sudadang]

To be honest, I like him this way. He's much better than partners who have bland character, say, Navi and Fi. I feel like he's similar to tatl from majora's mask in terms of personality, as they're both spoiled brats, though not as pervy as Issun.

[Squallboogie]

Originally posted by Gandalf Skywalker:

To be honest, I like him this way. He's much better than partners who have bland character, say, Navi and Fi. I feel like he's similar to tatl from majora's mask in terms of personality, as they're both spoiled brats, though not as pervy as Issun.

I was gonna say the same thing. First time I played Skyward Sword, I almost quit a quarter of the way through due to Fi.

[Kiana]

Yeah, people give Navi ♥♥♥♥, but at least she can provide helpful information some of the time.

Issun has yet to be helpful for me. He stretches his introductory scene out about three times as long as it needs to be, just for a start. On multiple occasions, I have picked up an item (ex. a scroll), a text box has popped up explaining what it does and how to use it, then immediately got thrust into a cutscene where Issun explains what I just read five seconds ago.

The game is great, but Issun is objectively awful.

[Dadang Sudadang]

I guess this game really tests your patience, first the length of the intro, and then issun.

[arthum.inglorion]

To be honest I'm not a big fan of Issun but I don't mind him at all, he's not that bad of a character all things considering and he does show some improvement at the end. At least some of his comments are kinda funny so he's not completely bad and annoying.

[Chasey]

Take a drink every time he says "Ya hear that, Ammy?" you'll be plastered by the time you find all the Satomi Canine warriors.

[arthum.inglorion]

Originally posted by Chasey:

Take a drink every time he says "Ya hear that, Ammy?" you'll be plastered by the time you find all the Satomi Canine warriors.

Well for some it would end up in the hospital probably :P

[Sc~Zer0]

Originally posted by aaron100:

I hate him.

As far as guid's, support character, go he's prone to stating obvious like "Hey Ammy you have to jump throught this hole" (you don't say) or "You have to hit him in the weak points" (I KNOW ISSUN, you REALLY don't have to tell me that EVERY SINGLE BLOODY TIME), but when you can be stuck somewhere, sometime, his advice looks like "We have to talk to someone"(WHO, ISSUN?) or "We have to do something here"(WHAT, ISSUN?). Basically an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

But his character is even worse: stealing from friend? No problem from Issun. Are you a "hot babe"? Then i will help you, if not, screw you. Did i mentioned he is reaaaly stupid? In third act We are going back 100 years in time, and it's immediately obvious what happens. Issun reaction? "What is this?" Why everybody treats you like an Orochi familiar just like in the legend 100 years old?" "Why this guy is called just like a hero of legend 100 years old?" Why this Kamiki Village looks just like it looked 100 years ago? WHAT DO YOU THINK WHY ISSUN? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

And as much as i love ending of this game i don't buy his change of heart. As an annoing brat he was whole game i'm not going to just simple accept that he's now a good guy, accepting his destiny, just because Waka told him what a♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥he is. Pffff. No chance. Why Amaterasu likes him will forever be a mystery for me.

TL;DR I wish for him to drown in a puddle of slowly working poison, so he can drown and suffer from poison in that same time.

He's just supposed to be a comic relief. I can agree that his actions can be questionable, but what do you expect? This is a game, you don't have to like him. And he's still probably a kid, considering the way he's acting.
At least he has a backstory and depth unlike Fi and Navi who are just there to help you. (And annoy)

[Akane]

Originally posted by Squallboogie:

Originally posted by Gandalf Skywalker:

To be honest, I like him this way. He's much better than partners who have bland character, say, Navi and Fi. I feel like he's similar to tatl from majora's mask in terms of personality, as they're both spoiled brats, though not as pervy as Issun.

I was gonna say the same thing. First time I played Skyward Sword, I almost quit a quarter of the way through due to Fi.

Haha, Fi is awesome what are you talking about?

[jopperstaluf.]

IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT ONLY ME THAT HAS THIS FEELING! OMG! I hate that guy and he's just super annoying. The other celestial gods could speak i don't see why they can't just let Ammy talk and just cut issun off the game. DEVS PLS!

[Agarillobob]

this game is made for children or atleast they made sure parents are able to understand this game to be able to play it withj their children or saomething I dunno

[Dadang Sudadang]

Originally posted by Agarillobob:

this game is made for children or atleast they made sure parents are able to understand this game to be able to play it withj their children or saomething I dunno

It was rated T. Mostly because of some jokes it seems

[Agarillobob]

I don´t know what T means

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