The Arcade Filter in this game is Amazing

[King Hadu]

Its not just a scanline filter it adds square scanlines something I never seen in anyother emulation.

It makes it look almost as perfect as CRT arcade cabinets which is what these games are designed for, since it looks really bad on LCD HD screens with filters turned off.

the scanlines darken LCD screens which is a negative since CRT has the unique ability to display the games perfect without the darkening.

But I think this is as good as we will get for LCD screens in terms of filters for sprites to keep the sprites in original perfection

[Imriel]

Really? IMHO it's nothing special comparing to MAME HLSL, SWEETFX, RESHADE or few other ways to filter / enchance... It's... acceptable, that's all... you can do better with reshade,,,

Example: mame demo recorded TWO YERS ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfQ_dtziNG4

Or another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrpm8o17cHE

[Second video shows different filters - check CRT ROYALE at 16:48]

Emulators was able to do this and much more YEARS ago... so no reason to be excited Crapcom dint broke filtering TOTALY like they did, for example, in D&D TOD and SOM.

[V I D A L]

Originally posted by Imriel:

Really? IMHO it's nothing special comparing to MAME HLSL, SWEETFX, RESHADE or few other ways to filter / enchance... It's... acceptable, that's all... you can do better with reshade,,,

Example: mame demo recorded TWO YERS ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfQ_dtziNG4

Or another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrpm8o17cHE

[Second video shows different filters - check CRT ROYALE at 16:48]

Emulators was able to do this and much more YEARS ago... so no reason to be excited Crapcom dint broke filtering TOTALY like they did, for example, in D&D TOD and SOM.

What? This doesn't look good at all. This bloom is nuts. I played in arcades with very clear image and colours and none of this exploding bloom everyhere. Bad examples. (Haven't watched the second video... but I'm impressed in how exagerating the first one looks.)

[Imriel]

Maybye first vid is bad example - first one I found on youtube to add as ilustration - check second one about 16-17 min with CRT ROYALE KUROZUMI filter. I am using this one with little different values, more to my taste... point is: filtering in Capcom port is nothing special.

[King Hadu]

the Arcade scanline filter displays SF3 the way it was meant to be displayed, sharp and clean without all the pixelation mess. It hides all the mess and imperfections

[Dacaskos]

It's so funny/ironic to see this trend of "Arcade filter = blurry mess" and people approving it when arcade collectors are risking their asses with high voltage monitors to make the image as sharp as possible and broadcast monitors costing the price of a kidney in order to achieve "scanline bliss".

a good tube with a still well functioning flyback is not blurry people. Only because back in the day we used to play SNES outputting from the RF switch it doesn't mean it looks like ass.

Having said that, no, both filters are awful. Get yourself an external scanline generator, at least.

[TneX]

Originally posted by Dacaskos:

Get yourself an external scanline generator, at least.

A what now? Never heard of such a thing, but sounds over the top.

[Dacaskos]

Originally posted by TneX:

Originally posted by Dacaskos:

Get yourself an external scanline generator, at least.

A what now? Never heard of such a thing, but sounds over the top.

Something like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/Scanline-Generator-VGA-Connection-For-Retro-Games-Gamers-MAME-Arcade-Machine-/292054279303?_ul=BR

[Villain]

I agree. arcade filter in this version displays the most arcade perfect screen I've seen for home version of SF2 and SF3.

[King Hadu]

Originally posted by Dacaskos:

It's so funny/ironic to see this trend of "Arcade filter = blurry mess" and people approving it when arcade collectors are risking their asses with high voltage monitors to make the image as sharp as possible and broadcast monitors costing the price of a kidney in order to achieve "scanline bliss".

a good tube with a still well functioning flyback is not blurry people. Only because back in the day we used to play SNES outputting from the RF switch it doesn't mean it looks like ass.

Having said that, no, both filters are awful. Get yourself an external scanline generator, at least.

The current arcade scanline filter in this game is the best we can get in terms of displaying these games the proper way it was meant to look on CRT.

With that said you can't just go out and buy a new CRT screen, yes we know CRT is superior in everyway for these pixel art games but they don't make them anymore.

[MidnightPhreaker]

Originally posted by Imriel:

Really? IMHO it's nothing special comparing to MAME HLSL, SWEETFX, RESHADE or few other ways to filter / enchance... It's... acceptable, that's all... you can do better with reshade,,,

Example: mame demo recorded TWO YERS ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfQ_dtziNG4

Or another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrpm8o17cHE

[Second video shows different filters - check CRT ROYALE at 16:48]

Emulators was able to do this and much more YEARS ago... so no reason to be excited Crapcom dint broke filtering TOTALY like they did, for example, in D&D TOD and SOM.

ROFL those look nothing like a TV or Arcade monitor. The TV mode in the game looks pretty spot on to my Sega Astro City except the Astro's scanlines are darker. And the Arcade Filter looks close to a 30Khz arcade screen (My Sega Blast City) running a 15khz source.

This is an Arcade Collection so it has Arcade Filters, not some horrible looking excuses for what people 'Think' CRT's look like. (And that goes for those craptastic HQX/xBR interpolation messes of a filter).

If your Arcade monitor looks like any of those examples you might need to get it repaired/calibrated... Even my Sony Trinitron CRT over component/scart doesn't look as bad as any of those.

[King Hadu]

yeah I always get a good chuckle at all these millenials talking about "perfect pixel art" since there is no such thing.

Perfect pixel art is low quality work, pixelated mess.

These games looked stunning on the arcade cabinets running CRT because it was designed for those CRT screens. Low res arcade CRT has a unique ability to upsize these low res sprites to any size without loss in quality something no LCD can do.

This is why SF3 only looks good if you reduce the emulator window size to a 3 inch screen on your LCD screen.

The Arcade Filter in SF 30th Anniversary collection has a special unique Arcade Filter that filters out the pixelation mess through a unique square scanline filter and allows these sprites to be rendered perfectly without any nonsense smoothing filters etc.

The Arcade Filter in this game using the square dotted scanlines basically allows these sprites to be rendered perfectly without touching them. The only downside is it darkens the screen since LCD does not have the unique ability of CRT screens to produce the scanlines while keeping the brightness.

[King Hadu]

Originally posted by Australia oftenOff:

Originally posted by Imriel:

Really? IMHO it's nothing special comparing to MAME HLSL, SWEETFX, RESHADE or few other ways to filter / enchance... It's... acceptable, that's all... you can do better with reshade,,,

Example: mame demo recorded TWO YERS ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfQ_dtziNG4

Or another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrpm8o17cHE

[Second video shows different filters - check CRT ROYALE at 16:48]

Emulators was able to do this and much more YEARS ago... so no reason to be excited Crapcom dint broke filtering TOTALY like they did, for example, in D&D TOD and SOM.

ROFL those look nothing like a TV or Arcade monitor. The TV mode in the game looks pretty spot on to my Sega Astro City except the Astro's scanlines are darker. And the Arcade Filter looks close to a 30Khz arcade screen (My Sega Blast City) running a 15khz source.

This is an Arcade Collection so it has Arcade Filters, not some horrible looking excuses for what people 'Think' CRT's look like. (And that goes for those craptastic HQX/xBR interpolation messes of a filter).

If your Arcade monitor looks like any of those examples you might need to get it repaired/calibrated... Even my Sony Trinitron CRT over component/scart doesn't look as bad as any of those.

Well Said!!!!

The only thing better than the amazing arcade filter in this game is an actual Arcade Cabinet

[Dacaskos]

Originally posted by King Hadu:

Originally posted by Dacaskos:

It's so funny/ironic to see this trend of "Arcade filter = blurry mess" and people approving it when arcade collectors are risking their asses with high voltage monitors to make the image as sharp as possible and broadcast monitors costing the price of a kidney in order to achieve "scanline bliss".

a good tube with a still well functioning flyback is not blurry people. Only because back in the day we used to play SNES outputting from the RF switch it doesn't mean it looks like ass.

Having said that, no, both filters are awful. Get yourself an external scanline generator, at least.

The current arcade scanline filter in this game is the best we can get in terms of displaying these games the proper way it was meant to look on CRT.

With that said you can't just go out and buy a new CRT screen, yes we know CRT is superior in everyway for these pixel art games but they don't make them anymore.

That's exactly what I've tried to say. If they will make an arcade filter, then "emulate" a GOOD arcade monitor/tube, not one with its flyback/caps already banged up.
If my crt were blurried like the arcade filter included in the collection, I would be pretty sad and looking for a replacement/repair. Having said that... the TV filter is actually pretty okay for what it is: emulating a standard, low line count consumer-end tv set.
Pixel art was made for progressive, lowres display. Blurriness has nothing to do with it

[Dacaskos]

just noticed something really bad actually... the TV filter doesn't scale properly when using Full and Wide settings. The scanlines get messed up (stretched with the image), they could've at least noticed that.

[AkumaTamada]

Despite how good the game is, the TV filter is actually what makes the game for me. The pixelation is awful without but it looks like art with it on. So stoked that they included this!