what is denuvo (related to sonic origins)

[toaster waffle]

ok call me an idiot but i see these people yelling and screaming about denuvo being a part of sonic origins and i dont know what it is, can someone fill me in?

[Ward The Echidna]

All I know it's some sort of anti piracy software,this one in particular effect mods so I guess no outside of steam mods will be available until they remove the denuvo thing as they did with mania.

[lukaself]

Denuvo is a DRM which needs a recurrent online connection but not a constant one so you can play offline for a while. However, the duration of the offline token is at the liberty of the publisher and is never disclosed. If you trigger Denuvo for any reason, it locks you out of the game for 24 hours at which point you need to go back online to re-validate.

You can see it happening on video here: Can't play MH:Rise because of DRM (live in front of 60k viewers)[clips.twitch.tv]
Also if Denuvo servers are down on their side, games without a valid activation token will not start, online or not: https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/a-great-day-for-drm-as-denuvo-lapse-renders-tons-of-games-temporarily-unplayable/

If you want to know more about the technical side of Denuvo without the usual bias of the Steam forums, you can consult this wiki : https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Ward The Echidna:

All I know it's some sort of anti piracy software,this one in particular effect mods so I guess no outside of steam mods will be available until they remove the denuvo thing as they did with mania.

Actually Sonic Mania could be modded quite significantly even while the game was protected with Denuvo, because the mod loader hooked into portions of the game not protected.

Very likely, we'll see mods for Sonic Origins possible quicker than Mania as the game engine is already pretty well known.

[hypercybermegatron]

Denuno is anti-consumer by its very nature by virtue of the fact that it is always online DRM and treats the purchaser more like a criminal than a customer. So it's already off to a bad start.

The problem runs much deeper than just always online DRM though: https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/

I also have concerns from another perspective.

What does Denuvo do behind the "Walled Garden" it creates on ones' system? Obviously, we're prevented from peeking inside this Walled Garden, but who knows what kind of data is collected about users and their systems and how that data is used?

Irdeto makes this claim about Denuvo on their website:

The Denuvo Anti-Cheat solution runs only when your game is running, and it does not collect any personally identifiable information. It collects information on how the OS interacts with the game and sends the information to Amazon-hosted servers for cheat detection. That is all it does. Denuvo Anti-Cheat only detects cheats – then game publishers decide how to respond to the cheaters found.

Although I don't see the fine print where it says that this data isn't used for data harvesting and marketing purposes; the comment "Only used to catch cheats" doesn't specifically address this concern. And you'd probably have to be a Rhodes scholar to decode the legalese in the EULA which no one reads, but agrees to, to understand what you're actually signing up for when purchasing and installing a game with Denuvo.

I question the intentions of anyone who supports these anti-consumer practices.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by hypercybermegatron:

Denuno is anti-consumer by its very nature by virtue of the fact that it is always online DRM and treats the purchaser more like a criminal than a customer. So it's already off to a bad start.

The problem runs much deeper than just always online DRM though: https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/

I also have concerns from another perspective.

What does Denuvo do behind the "Walled Garden" it creates on ones' system? Obviously, we're prevented from peeking inside this Walled Garden, but who knows what kind of data is collected about users and their systems and how that data is used?

Irdeto makes this claim about Denuvo on their website:

The Denuvo Anti-Cheat solution runs only when your game is running, and it does not collect any personally identifiable information. It collects information on how the OS interacts with the game and sends the information to Amazon-hosted servers for cheat detection. That is all it does. Denuvo Anti-Cheat only detects cheats – then game publishers decide how to respond to the cheaters found.

Although I don't see the fine print where it says that this data isn't used for data harvesting and marketing purposes; the comment "Only used to catch cheats" doesn't specifically address this concern. And you'd probably have to be a Rhodes scholar to decode the legalese in the EULA which no one reads, but agrees to, to understand what you're actually signing up for when purchasing and installing a game with Denuvo.

I question the intentions of anyone who supports these anti-consumer practices.

Pretty sure VAC sends all sorts of information back. Also Denuvo Anti-Cheat is a separate solution.

[BrochachoTB]

Awful anticheat/antitamper software brainless companies put in their games that bogs down performance, is highly invasive, won't let you play affected games offline, or at all when denuvo's servers die, and best of all, the anticheat and antitamper doesnt even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ work

[toaster waffle]

aight thanks for the info everyone (you can still post in this idc)

[Crashed]

Not sure why the pirate had to bold Amazon-hosted servers, because if he knew how AWS worked then he'd know all the data is property of the subscriber, and even the OS is controlled by the subscriber.

[Rings]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Not sure why the pirate had to bold Amazon-hosted servers, because if he knew how AWS worked then he'd know all the data is property of the subscriber, and even the OS is controlled by the subscriber.

What are you going on about now?

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Rings:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Not sure why the pirate had to bold Amazon-hosted servers, because if he knew how AWS worked then he'd know all the data is property of the subscriber, and even the OS is controlled by the subscriber.

What are you going on about now?

Need to spread some misinformation now?

[Rings]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Originally posted by Rings:

What are you going on about now?

Need to spread some misinformation now?

Let me ask you again: what are you going on about now?

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Rings:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Need to spread some misinformation now?

Let me ask you again: what are you going on about now?

Just ignore them or block them, they're clearly not well.

[shadowflash]

Originally posted by BrochachoTheBro:

Awful anticheat/antitamper software brainless companies put in their games that bogs down performance, is highly invasive, won't let you play affected games offline, or at all when denuvo's servers die, and best of all, the anticheat and antitamper doesnt even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ work

Can't agree on invasive part, since it doesn't dig deep into system files or even ring0 like trash DRMs such as StarForce or SecuROM did.

Other than that everything is 100% true.
People often call it lagnuvo or stutternuvo for a reason because in some conditions it causes flat fps drops, microstutters are always present, unless your PC is waay above system requirements, it increases loading times by a lot (doesn't affect small games that load most of resources at boot though. It infiates executables to a ridiculous level, like 20Mb ->280Mb
so 5-10 game exes with denuvo take enough space to install a full game, which obviously makes laptop users with single a 500Gb-1Tb SSD very happy.

And yeah - offline mode. You can play offline... for undisclosed time, it can be 24h to 2 weeks and if you'll install the game when denuvo servers are offline - you can't play.
Want to play a game while traveling - forget about it.

P.S. Denuvo in this game was atrocious. Extreme lags on $7500 hardware, crashes and stutters, after removal this game runs with locked 60fps on every potato from 2010 or so.