Can we take a moment to discuss Sonics Continuity?

[jouster500]

This is your spoiler warning fyi. If you don't care or have already experienced it on a console, please disregard this.



Ever since Sonic 4, Generations and now mania, the whole ordeal with little planet has been puzzling me. For those unaware, little planet made its debut in Sonic CD and the gist of it is its a planet that comes in close orbit to the planet in which Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik has taken over with the aid of time stones, roboticizers, and his greatest creation, metal sonic (which may or may not be a different sonic but thats a debate for another time).

Presumably, sonic wins, gets the good ending and everyone goes home happy. However 3 games up to this point have referenced little planet to have not been saved by sonic. Those being Sonic Generations (as seen when facing the metal sonic boss), Sonic 4 (the death egg mk II encapsulates little planet and it would also be fair to mention doesnt get destroyed but rather disabled. Also metal sonic awakes on a bad future version of stardust speedway) and now sonic mania in which little planet becomes the manufacturing center for the titanic monarch.

So what im having a hard time understanding is if i were to treat mania cannon to the rest of the game, where does it fit in? It cant be after sonic 4 because the death egg mk II would have been seen in mania. It cant be after sonic CD because in the good ending of mania, it just disappears, unless either A; it was just teleported, or B; Ivo still has possession of a time stone and warped the planet back.

However since we are dealing with the fabric of space and time, i guess sonics continuity is absolutely lost to the wind. Anyone have anything they want to add or mention that might shed light on this?

[Miasmic]

Not trying to be rude, but do the consoles not have their own seperate forums? Why would you post this (haven't read it, thank you for the redacts xD) on the Steam forums where no one has the game?

[jouster500]

引用自 Miasmic：

Not trying to be rude, but do the consoles not have their own seperate forums? Why would you post this (haven't read it, thank you for the redacts xD) on the Steam forums where no one has the game?

I don't have or know of any other place to talk about this with. No one i know in real life is a sonic fan like me so I cant talk to anyone about this either. Although i most certainly will be buying this game again for the switch and steam.

Steam usually has the most responsive groups that people can hook up with, hence why i posted here.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Well Sonic 4 is no longer canon, Generations would of had you go back in time to when Little Planet was captured, and Sonic Mania takes place in an alternate universe where it probably is that universe's version of the events in CD.

[jouster500]

引用自 (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr：

Well Sonic 4 is no longer canon, Generations would of had you go back in time to when Little Planet was captured, and Sonic Mania takes place in an alternate universe where it probably is that universe's version of the events in CD.

If you so much as missed one roboticizer in CD, you would always get the bad ending. So either sonic missed one or didnt nab all the timestones, so generations is reaffirming that little planet was completely lost. Also, when did sonic 4 not become canon and how does it now fit into the series?

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

引用自 jouster500：

引用自 (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr：

Well Sonic 4 is no longer canon, Generations would of had you go back in time to when Little Planet was captured, and Sonic Mania takes place in an alternate universe where it probably is that universe's version of the events in CD.

If you so much as missed one roboticizer in CD, you would always get the bad ending. So either sonic missed one or didnt nab all the timestones, so generations is reaffirming that little planet was completely lost. Also, when did sonic 4 not become canon and how does it now fit into the series?

Generations: In Generations, Classic Sonic is pulled from the past which causes everything you did in every Sonic game to be undone during Generations. Classic Sonic however goes back to their time at the very end of the game, meaning everything goes back to normal.

Sonic 4: Sonic 4 became noncanon when universally no one liked the game, and Mania was essentially created to replace it. Notice how there's no 4 on the elevator in the intro. There's also no CD, which possibly lends truth to the idea of Mania being the CD of its universe.

[jouster500]

引用自 (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr：

引用自 jouster500：

If you so much as missed one roboticizer in CD, you would always get the bad ending. So either sonic missed one or didnt nab all the timestones, so generations is reaffirming that little planet was completely lost. Also, when did sonic 4 not become canon and how does it now fit into the series?

Generations: In Generations, Classic Sonic is pulled from the past which causes everything you did in every Sonic game to be undone during Generations. Classic Sonic however goes back to their time at the very end of the game, meaning everything goes back to normal.

Sonic 4: Sonic 4 became noncanon when universally no one liked the game, and Mania was essentially created to replace it. Notice how there's no 4 on the elevator in the intro. There's also no CD, which possibly lends truth to the idea of Mania being the CD of its universe.

Generations: yeah i think that makes sense.

Sonic 4: I liked sonic 4. Sky fortress and mad gear was always a blast and metal sonic in white park was interesting. Did you know if you don't hit metal sonic again when he reaches the stage where he starts taking out the path beneath you, his difficulty gets amped? Theres no semblance of pattern to his movements and it makes for an interesting longevity run. That aside, sonic 4 still cant be swept under the rug. It wasnt nearly as bad as sonic 06 and that was treated as canon alongside everything else in sonic generations so i fail to see why sonic 4 cant be canon as well.

[jouster500]

引用自 Dwapook：

Eh.. Sonic Generations was time travel, Sonic 4 was the return of little planet, and Sonic Mania there's a ruby that allows Eggman to teleport around and get back to little planet..

So i guess little planet just got teleported away then?

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

引用自 jouster500：

Sonic 4: I liked sonic 4. Sky fortress and mad gear was always a blast and metal sonic in white park was interesting. Did you know if you don't hit metal sonic again when he reaches the stage where he starts taking out the path beneath you, his difficulty gets amped? Theres no semblance of pattern to his movements and it makes for an interesting longevity run. That aside, sonic 4 still cant be swept under the rug. It wasnt nearly as bad as sonic 06 and that was treated as canon alongside everything else in sonic generations so i fail to see why sonic 4 cant be canon as well.

Sonic 06 essentially retcons itself at the end though.

[MineFurryLPs]

Well in sonic mania we see sonic go into future stardust speedway after destroying one of the robotsizers in past stardust so I think this is still before sonic cd in the timeline

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

引用自 MineFurryLPs-Learning Stick：

Well in sonic mania we see sonic go into future stardust speedway after destroying one of the robotsizers in past stardust so I think this is still before sonic cd in the timeline

Well think about this, if Mania Sonic is Classic Sonic in Forces, that means Mania Sonic is not the same Sonic from 1-3 and CD.

I think that Mania takes the place of CD in Mania Sonic's universe. That's why you free Little Planet, the final zone is on Little Planet, the Sonic CD UFOs return for the special stages, and CD doesn't appear on the elevator in the game's intro.

[468528456]

Actually this game takes place some time after S3 & K and no, it doesn't replace CD.

That stone the Eggrobos dig up is a time stone (Sonic CD was suppose to have eight time stones instead of seven, this is a reference to that) which Robotnik uses to warp time like he did in the bad ending of CD. That's why Little Planet (and the other older stages) are back.

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Phantom_Ruby

[Klaudi]

i think Sonic 4 is noncanon simply because it's unfinished, Episode 2 had unused Cutscene 9C.
Bad future Stardust Speedway in Generations? Time Eater could just bring it because it could like Crysis City. Sonic Mania is definetly after Sonic 3&K because it has Angel Island, Knuckles and also manuals refer to it as shortly after Sonic 3&K.

[SuperVolcano]

引用自 468528456：

That stone the Eggrobos dig up is a time stone (Sonic CD was suppose to have eight time stones instead of seven, this is a reference to that) which Robotnik uses to warp time like he did in the bad ending of CD. That's why Little Planet (and the other older stages) are back.

There's no evidence that the Phantom Ruby is related to the Time Stones. Don't make things up.

引用自 jouster500：

It cant be after sonic CD because in the good ending of mania, it just disappears, unless either A; it was just teleported, or B; Ivo still has possession of a time stone and warped the planet back.

Little Planet appears above Never Lake once a year. How Mania's plot relates to CD's is anyone's guess, though. The official statement is that any questions about the plot can be answered by "the ruby did it".

[468528456]

引用自 SuperVolcano：

引用自 468528456：

That stone the Eggrobos dig up is a time stone (Sonic CD was suppose to have eight time stones instead of seven, this is a reference to that) which Robotnik uses to warp time like he did in the bad ending of CD. That's why Little Planet (and the other older stages) are back.

There's no evidence that the Phantom Ruby is related to the Time Stones. Don't make things up.

Oh really? The distorting time and space doesn't seem in anyway related to the time stones which can distort space and time.

And certaintly has nothing to do with the unused special stage in Sonic CD.
http://info.sonicretro.org/Game_Secrets:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_CD

If you don't believe me, feel free to tweet the Taxman about it.

[The73MPL4R]

I just assumed that Mania erased the events of Sonic 4 from canon

I feel like the Sonic series is gonna need it's own version of the Hyrule Historia just to explain the timeline