Why do characters hold the sword by the blade??

[765]

WTF is Drakania doing?? It's not even half-swording, it just makes her look like a complete moron.

Imagine a character in a shooter holding their gun backwards, who would be dumb enough to design a character like that other than PA?

[Carnatux]

That's the type of sword it is iirc it is still historically accurate to some real swords and that part isn't suppose to.be sharp iirc

[Lavian]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricasso

[Drandok]

This is actually something that one should praise PA for, although on the surface a lot of people don’t know this. That is one of the many traditional ways a Zweihander is gripped, feel free to look it up, there’s actual historical merit to the techniques involved.

[765]

Good lord, you people actually think swords were swung by the ricasso??
It was sometimes used to place fingers of the main or support hand across the guard, not the whole hand!
Even if the sword had a tiny guard it would be impossible to properly wield the sword by the ricasso, but with guards like this one you couldn't even hold the sword by the ricasso without the guard going right through your forearm.
Maybe stop applying video game logic to reality... fml

[765]

Originally posted by Drandok:

This is actually something that one should praise PA for, although on the surface a lot of people don’t know this. That is one of the many traditional ways a Zweihander is gripped, feel free to look it up, there’s actual historical merit to the techniques involved.

No it's not, it was used for support, not to swing the whole sword with your main hand like the anime BS Drakania design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kpJtTGqyUI

[Lavian]

Originally posted by 765:

Originally posted by Drandok:

This is actually something that one should praise PA for, although on the surface a lot of people don’t know this. That is one of the many traditional ways a Zweihander is gripped, feel free to look it up, there’s actual historical merit to the techniques involved.

No it's not, it was used for support, not to swing the whole sword with your main hand like the anime BS Drakania design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kpJtTGqyUI

You didn't watch the video you linked, did you?

The thumbnail is literally a man holding the zweihander with one of his hands gripping the ricasso, and there's roughly a minute-long section about two minutes in about gripping the sword by the ricasso for more leverage during combat, including showing a simple guard-counterattack swing utilizing the ricasso as a grip.

[Drandok]

Originally posted by Lavian:

Originally posted by 765:

No it's not, it was used for support, not to swing the whole sword with your main hand like the anime BS Drakania design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kpJtTGqyUI

You didn't watch the video you linked, did you?

The thumbnail is literally a man holding the zweihander with one of his hands gripping the ricasso, and there's roughly a minute-long section about two minutes in about gripping the sword by the ricasso for more leverage during combat, including showing a simple guard-counterattack swing utilizing the ricasso as a grip.

The best part about all of this is that it's usually what people trying to prove others wrong do, they pick a video, listen to ten seconds and when they hear something that coincides with their narrative they post it. Try this video, it shows you how you don't even need to do it with a ricasso like the zweihander has, and you can do it with even smaller sword too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwuQPfvSSlo

[765]

Originally posted by Lavian:

Originally posted by 765:

No it's not, it was used for support, not to swing the whole sword with your main hand like the anime BS Drakania design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kpJtTGqyUI

You didn't watch the video you linked, did you?

The thumbnail is literally a man holding the zweihander with one of his hands gripping the ricasso, and there's roughly a minute-long section about two minutes in about gripping the sword by the ricasso for more leverage during combat, including showing a simple guard-counterattack swing utilizing the ricasso as a grip.

He is holding it with the support hand in a support grip!
Apparently you can neither read nor realize what you are watching, but once again, you DO NOT SWING the sword by the ricasso!
It's like holding a rifle by the barrel and expecting to pull the trigger from there, it physically doesn't work because of the guard and you would know that if you knew ANYTHING about swords.

[765]

Originally posted by Drandok:

Originally posted by Lavian:

You didn't watch the video you linked, did you?

The thumbnail is literally a man holding the zweihander with one of his hands gripping the ricasso, and there's roughly a minute-long section about two minutes in about gripping the sword by the ricasso for more leverage during combat, including showing a simple guard-counterattack swing utilizing the ricasso as a grip.

The best part about all of this is that it's usually what people trying to prove others wrong do, they pick a video, listen to ten seconds and when they hear something that coincides with their narrative they post it. Try this video, it shows you how you don't even need to do it with a ricasso like the zweihander has, and you can do it with even smaller sword too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwuQPfvSSlo

You mean like yourself? Completely ignoring the part of my post where I say "it's not even half-swording"?

Nobody holds a sword like Drakania does cause it physically doesn't work.
If you think it does, go ahead and show evidence.
Not a video of someone half-swording, cause that's not what Drakania does, not a video of someone supporting it by the ricasso with a second hand, because that's not what Drakania doesn.
Show me a video where someone is swinging the sword by the ricasso like Drakania does.
You can't, there is none, it doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ work, it's anime BS!

And by the way if this game wasn't 99% special effects, one could actually see why it doesn't work, the guard would keep clipping through her forearm.

[Drandok]

Originally posted by 765:

Originally posted by Drandok:

The best part about all of this is that it's usually what people trying to prove others wrong do, they pick a video, listen to ten seconds and when they hear something that coincides with their narrative they post it. Try this video, it shows you how you don't even need to do it with a ricasso like the zweihander has, and you can do it with even smaller sword too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwuQPfvSSlo

You mean like yourself? Completely ignoring the part of my post where I say "it's not even half-swording"?

Nobody holds a sword like Drakania does cause it physically doesn't work.
If you think it does, go ahead and show evidence.
Not a video of someone half-swording, cause that's not what Drakania does, not a video of someone supporting it by the ricasso with a second hand, because that's not what Drakania doesn.
Show me a video where someone is swinging the sword by the ricasso like Drakania does.
You can't, there is none, it doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ work, it's anime BS!

Please actually read what I said next time too, if you're going to accuse me. I specifically said that half swording does NOT require a ricasso to work, and if you actually watched the video, you can see VERY CLEARLY that the person in the video uses the sharp end of the sword as the grip and hits a tire with the pommel. Stop being absurd and actually be willing to change your mind, and you may actually learn something from these forums. In fact the blade in question doesn't even have a Ricasso, which you'd know if you watched the video. Also, do you really think that someone needs to grip the sword at a 100% specific place for it to be considered half swording? It simply refers to using any portion of the weapon beyond the grip with your hands. It turns the weapon into a more favorable bludgeoning instrument.

[765]

Originally posted by Drandok:

Originally posted by 765:

You mean like yourself? Completely ignoring the part of my post where I say "it's not even half-swording"?

Nobody holds a sword like Drakania does cause it physically doesn't work.
If you think it does, go ahead and show evidence.
Not a video of someone half-swording, cause that's not what Drakania does, not a video of someone supporting it by the ricasso with a second hand, because that's not what Drakania doesn.
Show me a video where someone is swinging the sword by the ricasso like Drakania does.
You can't, there is none, it doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ work, it's anime BS!

Please actually read what I said next time too, if you're going to accuse me. I specifically said that half swording does NOT require a ricasso to work, and if you actually watched the video, you can see VERY CLEARLY that the person in the video uses the sharp end of the sword as the grip and hits a tire with the pommel. Stop being absurd and actually be willing to change your mind, and you may actually learn something from these forums.

I know half-swording doesn't require a ricasso.
I don't get what any of this has to do with Drakania or the point I'm making, she doesn't even do any half-swording, unless you count that ground-thrust.

[Drandok]

Originally posted by 765:

Originally posted by Drandok:

Please actually read what I said next time too, if you're going to accuse me. I specifically said that half swording does NOT require a ricasso to work, and if you actually watched the video, you can see VERY CLEARLY that the person in the video uses the sharp end of the sword as the grip and hits a tire with the pommel. Stop being absurd and actually be willing to change your mind, and you may actually learn something from these forums.

I know half-swording doesn't require a ricasso.
I don't get what any of this has to do with Drakania or the point I'm making, she doesn't even do any half-swording, unless you count that ground-thrust.

Half-swording has to be specific strikes? I don't understand. You're the one that made the post about Drakania so you do think this for some reason has relevance. You keep mentioning Anime BS and the like, as if it's a valid argument. The point is that the style of sword wielding used by Drakania is very real, and if you don't believe that it is that's too bad, because there are now 2 videos in this forum post that show exactly how it is. If you understand how they relate or not, is up to you. Also if we're going to complain about Anime BS, perhaps picking a more extreme class like warrior would be better, as there is quite a few flaws with it, Drakania just isn't the one to argue here.

[765]

Originally posted by Drandok:

Originally posted by 765:

I know half-swording doesn't require a ricasso.
I don't get what any of this has to do with Drakania or the point I'm making, she doesn't even do any half-swording, unless you count that ground-thrust.

Half-swording has to be specific strikes? I don't understand. You're the one that made the post about Drakania so you do think this for some reason has relevance. You keep mentioning Anime BS and the like, as if it's a valid argument. The point is that the style of sword wielding used by Drakania is very real, and if you don't believe that it is that's too bad, because there are now 2 videos in this forum post that show exactly how it is. If you understand how they relate or not, is up to you. Also if we're going to complain about Anime BS, perhaps picking a more extreme class like warrior would be better, as there is quite a few flaws with it, Drakania just isn't the one to argue here.

Are you blind? None of the videos show what she is doing, which is swinging the sword by the ricasso with 1 hand.
Show me a video where someone does that, otherwise I'm calling your BS claim.

[Drandok]

Originally posted by 765:

Originally posted by Drandok:

Half-swording has to be specific strikes? I don't understand. You're the one that made the post about Drakania so you do think this for some reason has relevance. You keep mentioning Anime BS and the like, as if it's a valid argument. The point is that the style of sword wielding used by Drakania is very real, and if you don't believe that it is that's too bad, because there are now 2 videos in this forum post that show exactly how it is. If you understand how they relate or not, is up to you. Also if we're going to complain about Anime BS, perhaps picking a more extreme class like warrior would be better, as there is quite a few flaws with it, Drakania just isn't the one to argue here.

Are you blind? None of the videos show what she is doing, which is swinging the sword by the ricasso with 1 hand.
Show me a video where someone does that, otherwise I'm calling your BS claim.

Are you incoherent? Half your posts you say 'she never even strikes that way' the other half go 'she uses it that way totally' it seems like it changes based on how you want to argue dude, and you're just going to go in circles here all day trying to justify the fact that you compared using a Ricasso, a built-in part of a sword, to holding a gun backwards. You're kidding me, right? Even if she was swinging the blade in a sweeping motion from the Ricasso (which historically makes sense, because if you swing a weapon like a Zwei-hander too hard from too far away with too much force at the back end, they blade will bend and break, because that's how physics works.) Even if she was doing that, it would still apply to the principle of the sword grip. The only reason to not hold a sword by the blade is if you want range, the grip isn't needed at all, it's just a metal spear if you use it like that. You can make slicing motions with spears to trip opponents, and if you're using a weapon that is meant to be used with two hands with one, gripping the sword halfway up gives more power to your swing, this also includes slicing. I don't get how you can't fathom that half-swording isn't just for one specific thing, she has an offhand called a shard that uses magic attacks and what not, so she grips the sword halfway. You can one-hand a two-handed weapon, and this is exactly how, are you truly this unreasonable dude? If you need a youtube video to explain this any further, then go ahead and research it yourself, I'm not your college professor.

[765]

Originally posted by Drandok:

Originally posted by 765:

Are you blind? None of the videos show what she is doing, which is swinging the sword by the ricasso with 1 hand.
Show me a video where someone does that, otherwise I'm calling your BS claim.

Are you incoherent? Half your posts you say 'she never even strikes that way' the other half go 'she uses it that way totally' it seems like it changes based on how you want to argue dude, and you're just going to go in circles here all day trying to justify the fact that you compared using a Ricasso, a built-in part of a sword, to holding a gun backwards. You're kidding me, right? Even if she was swinging the blade in a sweeping motion from the Ricasso (which historically makes sense, because if you swing a weapon like a Zwei-hander too hard from too far away they blade will bend and break, because that's how physics works.) Even if she was doing that, it would still apply to the principle of the sword grip. The only reason to not hold a sword by the blade is if you want range, the grip isn't needed at all, it's just a metal spear if you use it like that. You can make slicing motions with spears to trip opponents, and if you're using a weapon that is meant to be used with two hands with one, gripping the sword halfway up gives more power to your swing, this also includes slicing. I don't get how you can't fathom that half-swording isn't just for one specific thing, she has an offhand called a shard that uses magic attacks and what not, so she grips the sword halfway. You can one-hand a two-handed weapon, and this is exactly how, are you truly this unreasonable dude?

Stop writing walls of excuses and show me a video where someone swings a sword with one hand by the ricasso like Drakania does with a guard like on her sword.