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Here's what I usually do:
1. Make or buy yourself a set of TRI green armor with blue weapons, and if you can, put ultimate armor/weapon reform stones on them. Use TRI asula jewelry as starter jewelry until you can buy or make better.
The reason for making green armor and blue weapons initially is you don't nee dto use memory fragments for failed enhancement attempts. You can buy more of the same armor/weapons to repair max durability at any armor smith or stable keeper.
2. Craft a full set of TET lemoria armor. This is super good armor, and again you can use the same armor to repair the max durability.
3. Work on getting yourself incrementally better jewelry. Start with either DUO yellow jewelry or TRI blue jewelry of your choice. Then gradually replace the jewelry with better and better versions until one day you have TET yellow jewelry of your choice, but it's a slow process.
4. Do the magnus quest line. This will give you a piece of PEN armor and will link your bank boxes.
5. Do the Jetina quest for one piece of PEN jewelry and for one iece of PEN armor. Don't do more than one of either.
6. Work on replacing your weapons (main, awakening and offhand) with a TET boss gear version of your choice.
At this point many more options will open up for you, but also at this point you'll be as strong or better than if you had PEN Tuvula armor, and you will be able to figure out what path you want to take for gear progression.
I have done and do what Karna5 has suggested.
However, after doing one piece of armor/weapon Jetina Guaranteed PEN quest, I find saving your silver to actually buy the PEN armor/weapon is better.
Fredericks of Cursewood, H3llF!r3, joj0.st4r, and Drandok once posted this for a different player, but I have used this advice and found it to be my main silver maker.
Save all of your Caphras and Ancient Spirit Dust, which can be made into caphras, until you have a large quantity of them. You can usually get about 1000 to 3000 of them in a real life year. Then use a Value Pack and sell them on the Central Market for top silver. You will have Billions of silver after you do that and you can buy 2 to 3 pieces of PEN Boss armors/weapons after that.
The Jentina Guaranteed PEN Accessory quest is good, but I consider the Jentina Guaranteed PEN armor/weapon quest a very expensive waste of your time.
Good luck to you. 😊
So.. how long do you usually grind ? 5 minutes ? maybe even a whole 15 minutes ?
- 12 to 24 caphras an hour killing monsters
- 20 or 25 caphras a week doing rift bosses
- random caphra gains from black spirit adventure dice game and the like
I have a friend who makes around 200 caphras a day doing a few daily grinds for caphras, but he works harder at that than I do.
Some people buy caphras on the central market, but I think either using them or selling them is a better return on value :)
I use them. Tsel13 sells them :)
p.s. There are a lot of things people do that do not generate caphras. Life skills, many monster areas, questing in general, exploring, etcetera. It's common for people who play many hours a week to only get caphras one of those hours if that. You can't tell how many hours someone plays by how many caphras they get. You can only tell how many hours they do things that give caphras.
How much caphras you can make largely depends on a mixture of time investment and the spot used to generate them. If you grind 5 hours a day at pollys, it would probably take almost half a month to get 3k caphras, but if you did that at thorn wood, jade, gyfins, turos, sycria or kratuga that’d probably only take you a few days or less (Clear speed and drop rate notwithstanding). To clarify the reason I always say save caphras, is because when you drop a caphras you’ve made 3m silver directly into your inventory, but if you sell it at max price on the market, which is always 3m, then you actually lose money due to market tax (around 10% for subs or 35 for f2p iirc). So it’s actually more economically sound to keep them as you simply get 3m silver in value since you will need caphras in the tens of thousands for boss gear. The mentality behind this is a long term one, and bdo is always about your goals not ‘the best’ goals, but my goals are long term so that’s why I say that.
I definite believe you get so many caphras there, but I think it's different for you than for people who are still building u p their gear.
For instance, I know that Tsel13's reasoning in selling caphras is on a condition that the account has no PEN boss gear at all, so using the first few thousand caphras to build up the account to have PEN gear saves time in a way because the account gets more powerful more quickly. I didn't use that approach, but I accept is as sensible.
On my account I went the slower route of making full sets of TET C4 armor and weapons and gradually replacing them with TET blackstar armor and weapons with the exception of a PEN boss torso which I gradually worked to C10 and my Nouver which I got to C7 (before replacing it with TET blackstar lately).
My method took a lot more months and total hours to get me into PEN than Tsel13's method, and I had additional fees from caphra extraction.
Anyway, I like the idea of upgrading from getting 12 to 25 caphras an hour to getting 100 caphras an hour and am curious :) If I could get 100 caphras an hour I think the first thing I'd do is make a nouver shield with C20 :) Thanks.
post script: Also I dont have an infinity potion, so m my skill addons and gear is optimized toward self healing and defense. I know people who have infinite health potions can take a more aggressive build.
It's not so much my ap as the current drop rate event skewing my numbers a fair bit. 310% drop rate gives you over 70-100 caphras an hour at those spots with a decent rotation. I wasn't trying to give a realistic timeframe for the guy, more to say that it can be done in less than a year with reasonable effort. It's probably more like 8-10 hours that gives you 3k in a week on normal drop rate, but the point was more it's not really a year for those numbers, sorry for confusion :)
Also to respond to your edit: I do believe that the infinite potions themselves are mandatory for endgame as they provide much more flexibility for addons. But my current gear setup is 297 kutum ap, though I really doubt my ap is making that much of a difference, as you can see 60+ hours at manshaums (Not sure on droprate for this) with a valk or musa. I have extremely high ecology and a kamasylv buff popped at all times so my drop rate is over 200% with a scroll, though it's not hard to get 180ish without the kamasylv if you do even more ecology than I did. Another thing that will help is the tent buff's 50% drop rate. If your goal is to hyperfocus caphras stones and nothing else, I'd recommend Manshaums and Thornwood over Turos as it's not group reliant, but kratuga and sycria are also cracked at fairly reasonable ap levels (285 kutum)
I'm working the infinite potion pretty hard lately. An in-game friend of mine finally convinced me it's important, and you are corroborating that eloquently.
The rest of the information you gave is excellent, too. Thanks.
Oh sure np! Also I should clarify I actually have 161% drop rate without a tent buff equipped, I was referencing my numbers on a character that had a tent buff by accident >_<. But either way 161% drop rate is actually 141% due to blessing, but I still get well into the 50s or even 60+ caphras at most spots with this, and if I pop tent it goes near 80 or higher.
Back to the infinite potions for a second for clarity. The infinite hp potions are as important as they are simply because they remove the need for healing ENTIRELY with a level 4 or 5 cheer fairy, and help out significantly at 1, 2, or 3. The mana pot is even better as it provides the ability to spam your abilities in the most efficient order while disregarding mana, so if you play a mana heavy class like Nova you will no longer have to panic about being at zero damage for five seconds while you auto attack mobs. The other thing about the infinite hp potion is that you never have desert sickness again because the ticks outheal the damage. They are also weight efficient over just using potions, which saves immense time rebuying potions if you have tight weight restrictions on your toons. Another important note is that I tend to exceed garmoth numbers (For example, I get 24k trash at orc camp on gold), so my figures are based on optimized farming not casual, relaxed farming. I won't lie I tend to sweat a bit to get my numbers where they are, as I want to hit 700 gearscore by march.
I just thought of another end-gear related question if you don't mind. The other day I finally successfully converted my TET blackstar shoes to PEN (took around 24 tries).
There's an obsidian blackstar option from grinding the elvia realms which would add 3 more DP to the shoes, but I'e spent probably hundreds of hours killing monsters in Elvia over the last many months, and I've only got around 30%,of the required drops I need. It just feels like the obsidian drops are even harder to get than the infinite potion drops.
Do you think it's worthwhile working toward obsidian blackstar on the PENJ shoes after I get the infinity potions? Thanks in advance :)
I would recommend holding off on anything obsidan blackstar related and simply focusing on caphrasing the rest of your gear as high as possible. If you really, really want to get it, it would probably be about as hard as an abboreal reform set of earrings, maybe a little less difficult, but save it until 1 dp is worth 20 hours for you, because it seems to be a similar exchange rate. I say upgrade all your boss gear to c9 and then get obsidian, or when you get to that point swap to boss for caphras if you're running evasion, or stick with for dr. But that obsidian should be when everything else you have is c9 or higher, not before.
FYI, my current priority is:
a) grind where I can get infinite potion parts
b) put all future cron stones into enhancing my TET blackstar gloves to PEN
c) put all Jhammers into trying to enhance my TET blackstar shield to PEN (I made my PEN jordun with a jhammer). I'd convert my TET blackstar main hand to PEN, but I'm more DP starved than AP starved, and upgrading the shield would give 5 DP ad 2 AP (as opposed to main hand which would add only 8 AP). ALso I'm awakened build so main hand is only 30% of my damage.
d) save up enough silver to buy Lebraska Helm to replace my TET blackstar helm
I already made a PEN nouver offhand, but I'm using blackstar instead right now because lack of DP has been hurting me. The shoes hitting PEN finally got me to 376, but I know I need 401 or better.
When I have enough caphras to C20 my Nouver offhand I''ll probably switch back to Nouver.
When I have the lebraska helm I'll probably start saving money for accessory upgrades. As that's the most expensive I'm working toward that last.
Your recommendation to not worry about obsidian actually helps a lot. The loot in Evlia regions is downright horrible compared to most other places, so not having to grind there is a relief :)
I only grind 1 to 3 hours a week.
I am a very casual player.
When I am able to play, I grind 1/3rd of the week and the other 2/3rds, I life skill Cook or do Alchemy. 😊