Why I won't play season character ever again

[kitty]

Playing season character shows everything bad in this game. While you can avoid these things on your normal play they force you to "graduate" and by that you have to
-gamble and ruin your gear (I just failed like 20 times to tet-pen my tuvala with 50-80 failstacks, game has audacity to ask me if I really want to use such high faistack and then fails and reduces gear level. 3 of my tet pieces now at pri - all failed to upgrade with 60 valks)
-grind
-run in shabby gear because there's not enough mats
-complete quests you'll normally avoid because it is boring/hard/etc
-half of the classes suck so if you picked the wrong one you have to suffer through it to the very end

benefits?
not so many. you can get all of it in the first 2 hours of playing (free pet from gifts and free pet/horse from snowflakes). 200mil silver. that's it. tet boss gear after graduation? it does not worth the pain. You can easily earn its worth by playing a week normally. Capotia? No use for high level char and you can also buy similar piece for cheap.

overall season is just a lure to force people gamble. I don't want to gamble when results are rigged. How I can fail many times in a row with such high failstacks? I made my boss gear on main char with less effort and less failstacks than they ask for this tuvala.

[joj0.st4r]

the game is ...about...killing mobs
(+ PvP and life skilling)
but
why are we complaining that some of us are not done enhancing all tuvala gear to pen after 4-5(6?) days ???
you have 3months of grinding mobs for upgrade material
I take these threads/commens as jokes
but I am almost certain some of you are serious
and it is a little scary

[kitty]

Karna5 a écrit :

It's such a horrible game design, as bad as making people kill 5000 monsters.

5k monsters twice. 10k in total for season pass. there's a quest at the very end that requires you to kill another 5k. just discovered it now.

I destroyed all my tuvala jewelry except for a belt, 100% failings on a chance over 50-70, then I used cron stones and big failstack (over 70 chance) to get that belt to tet. that's 100mil worth of cron stones for an item I can't sell (not to mention high value Valks).
does it really worth the price of materials and time invested into farming stones? I start to doubt it.

btw if anyone still needs stones or jewelry there's one time quests to get it
https://www.blackdesertfoundry.com/season-servers-guide/#Regional_Quests

can get duo ring, earring and belt for killing 500 monsters. all 3 locations are in Valencia

[Karna5]

kitty a écrit :

Karna5 a écrit :

It's such a horrible game design, as bad as making people kill 5000 monsters.

btw if anyone still needs stones or jewelry there's one time quests to get it
https://www.blackdesertfoundry.com/season-servers-guide/#Regional_Quests

can get duo ring, earring and belt for killing 500 monsters. all 3 locations are in Valencia

That's a good link, thanks. Ironically, half those areas need more AP than the people who need the prizes from them, haha. If we had 240+ AP already it would mean we already got the three weapons and jewelry high level.

I did half those areas already and used the 200 or so ore I got to try to make a belt. My TRI tuvula belt broke, and then even using ridiculously high fail stacks I never got back to TRI again and now am back to using a DUO Asula belt *laughs*

I did a couple of thousand kills at Marie Cave tonight and got maybe 25 or 30 ore to try more on the belt, but those failed as well.

I'll see if Wed/Thurs they give a new weekly quest that doesn't include killing 5000 of the same monster. I'm hoping there's a cooking quest or something. There's no way I can handle another 5000 same monster quest.

If a dev is reading this by chance, you had a quest to kill 5000 monsters at the end of the season requirements but didn't specify it be the same monster. That's much more tolerable as it let me ride around the world killing a few hundred of each type of monster (until marie cave where killing 2000 was fairly fast and painless).

Next season if you could eschew requiring the same monster be killed so many times I'd appreciate it. Thanks :)

[kitty]

If devs reading it they probably laughing. I wasted today's time to grind more stones, exchanged it for ore and tried to create earring. I failed every fkng time again, with supposed chance from 56 on pri-duo and 72-76 on tri-tet. and guess what, I've been awarded new title "Idiot". They surely know how to add insult to injury.
first 50 levels they called me fool for killing purple monsters and painted my screen in red colors to annoy me. now they call me an idiot. what for? for playing this stupid gamble? that's most rude game I ever played. I'm patient person but it starts to seriously get on my nerves.

killing 5k monsters for black spirit quest at the end of the season pass does not need same monster. you can butcher animals for meat or kill whatever you came across. It even counts enemy towers.

[Purr]

kitty a écrit :

Karna5 a écrit :

It's such a horrible game design, as bad as making people kill 5000 monsters.

5k monsters twice. 10k in total for season pass. there's a quest at the very end that requires you to kill another 5k. just discovered it now.

I destroyed all my tuvala jewelry except for a belt, 100% failings on a chance over 50-70, then I used cron stones and big failstack (over 70 chance) to get that belt to tet. that's 100mil worth of cron stones for an item I can't sell (not to mention high value Valks).
does it really worth the price of materials and time invested into farming stones? I start to doubt it.

btw if anyone still needs stones or jewelry there's one time quests to get it
https://www.blackdesertfoundry.com/season-servers-guide/#Regional_Quests

can get duo ring, earring and belt for killing 500 monsters. all 3 locations are in Valencia

both 5k quests u can do same time just a fyi

[Karna5]

Purr a écrit :

both 5k quests u can do same time just a fyi

Only sort of. They don't tell you the first is a 5k until you take it, and they don't show you the second until you qualify for it later down the list of things which must be done sequentially.

If one were to make a second season character down the road, yes they could line things up to do them concurrently (which doesn't forgive having to kill the same monster 5000 times as that's so boring). But the first time we don't know what's coming.

Also the second 5k quest is not restrictive. So one can just play however they want anywhere they want until 5k anything are killed. The first 5k quest is the main problem.

[kitty]

Purr a écrit :

both 5k quests u can do same time just a fyi

good point. for that you have to accept weekly and don't kill bandits, instead level up to 60 with other activities (questing in left side of the map) and then accept black spirit quest to kill 5k enemies. at this rate you can go back to bandits and kill them for both quests.

too bad I was clueless and completed it before hitting 60. but hopefully this information can be of help to someone who is still at the early stage.

[Simple Man]

Season is the best way for anyone new to level at a fast pace, get skill points, while also being showered in rewards. I wouldn't side with the RNG/gambling system, but your problems don't look that severe and seem fairly easy to solve.

kitty a écrit :

While you can avoid these things on your normal play they force you to "graduate"

Nobodys forced to graduate, you can play all 3 months of season server. Beyond that, character is naturally moved to a normal server and season rewards sent to you as otherwise that seasons over and servers are closing. Its also not mandatory to have PEN tuvala gear before you leave season, its but a suggestion as its very nice for something thats effectively free, even the repair materials cost nothing.

kitty a écrit :

and by that you have to
-gamble and ruin your gear (I just failed like 20 times to tet-pen my tuvala with 50-80 failstacks, game has audacity to ask me if I really want to use such high faistack and then fails and reduces gear level. 3 of my tet pieces now at pri - all failed to upgrade with 60 valks)
-grind
-run in shabby gear because there's not enough mats
-complete quests you'll normally avoid because it is boring/hard/etc
-half of the classes suck so if you picked the wrong one you have to suffer through it to the very end

The player is always granted a way of netting, at the very least, full TRI weapons and armor, via refined stones. The enhancement chance is 100%, and as of last season they only detereorate item by 20 points (used to be 50), you're never left "in shabby gear".

With the now TRI set you can wear and play with, you can create another one to gamble on, since the game drowns you in begginer stones. Get a second TRI, add failstacks, and hit it, if it reverts to DUO, save the failstacks into nader band (or an alt), refined stone to TRI again, put the failstacks back in, hit it. The item(s) goes TET before long. Do the same towards PEN.

As last resort, player can also use cron stones to protect the enhancement. Despite what most people will say, they're free to use them to aid in getting PEN, because, if thats ones best gear, what else you saving them for, you need them now, not later. I've done it my first season in, am yet to regret anything.

kitty a écrit :

benefits?
not so many. you can get all of it in the first 2 hours of playing (free pet from gifts and free pet/horse from snowflakes). 200mil silver. that's it. tet boss gear after graduation? it does not worth the pain. You can easily earn its worth by playing a week normally. Capotia? No use for high level char and you can also buy similar piece for cheap.

overall season is just a lure to force people gamble. I don't want to gamble when results are rigged. How I can fail many times in a row with such high failstacks? I made my boss gear on main char with less effort and less failstacks than they ask for this tuvala.

90 snowflakes from the current (f2p) season earn some 500 million silver, between say, a riding crop (240m), a pet (100m IF they can even be sold at market, pets like the penguin cannot), and caphra bundles, or even the T8 horse if thats what the player wants to get, thats still 170~200 million on horse market.

And on gear, each of those PEN Tuvala weapon and armor pieces (later turned into TET boss gear) are worth over 2 billion silver each, thats nearly 15 billion just between 4 pieces of armor and 3 weapons without mention of accessories, no new player is simply going to earn that in a week like you suggest, not even a month, meanwhile in season they are free to go at it, as even the repair materials (tuvala ore) are completely free, as opposed to standard server, where repair is incredibly expensive. There were so many players doing rift echos this afternoon that my low end PC was taking some 20 seconds to render them and their tents, people come out of those events with hundreds, thousands of enhancement materials.

Season is by far and away the best thing that can happen to new players, even moreso in its current format (all gear goes tet boss, enhance chances are high, item durability loss is the lowest its ever been) regardless of whether or not the RNG turned out all-done-at-first-try, or took 2 or 3 weeks to get, value of a season is tremendous for new and returning player alike, heck, even myself, as a recurring customer, am currently already covered in gear worth a couple dozen billion silver, yet i payed for absolutely nothing. Maybe i'll even main this character someday, but not really, love me Guardian too much.

[kitty]

STP

I appreciate detailed reply and time you invested into this, however I must disagree on some points.
Gear you're getting is the same as tet boss gear (if you have pen tuvala) or pen narchillan you can easily get by playing on normal server. So it's not like you're getting extra gear, no, you're getting family bound useless knockoff of boss gear.
No, that gear does not cost billions because you can't sell it and buy yourself something different. If you already have your main character with completed main quest to the point where you have pen narchillan you don't need any gear from season.

when I had to grind bandits for season pass I made around 100-200mil silver per hour but that's comparable to normal server. With agris and loot scrolls you don't need cheap season stones and rift echos. omg, I completed one where I had to defeat bheg with his stunning attacks and then saunil captain (but that one whas an easy target). guess what, all I had from that double encounter is 2-3 stones. don't tell me people camp this useless thing. I'd better go kill bandits for 200mil per hour than wasting my time and money on weapon repair.

please don't tell me the chances to enchant are good. failing 5 times in a row on chance over 70% isn't good. it's awful if you consider how much money can you get by just selling all the stones. you can easily screw this gambling and just sell all stones.

using cron stones on family bound poor gear isn't cost effective. 2mil per cron stone and you will need it for you real items later. I do not understand why you talk about this gear as if it's top notch BiS item. there's no reason to turn it into pen boss gear because that quest is pure slaving and you'll end up paying even more than it's worth (not to mention endless quests to bring this and that). Therefore this gear is dead on arrival, forever at tet boss level, useless for end game and can't be sold for coin.

[Simple Man]

kitty a écrit :

Gear you're getting is the same as tet boss gear (if you have pen tuvala) or pen narchillan you can easily get by playing on normal server. So it's not like you're getting extra gear, no, you're getting family bound useless knockoff of boss gear.

Narchilian has lower stats than PEN tuvala set, it cannot be upgraded and has no accessories, plus we can only have one set per account.

The TET boss gear we're given on the other hand, is able to progress, systems like the new(ish) guarranteed PEN quest will be able to take those items at TET and bring them to max tier, no gambling. They don't all stay bound either, PEN armor can then be made Fallen God, that is no longer bound and is sellable on market if player wishes, tho i don't see why anyone would do that, option is still present.

kitty a écrit :

No, that gear does not cost billions because you can't sell it and buy yourself something different. If you already have your main character with completed main quest to the point where you have pen narchillan you don't need any gear from season.

As mentioned, if im a new player and i went for Narchilian while skipping season i would have been left frustrated, Narchilian is not only weaker but has nowhere to go, its not suitable for a "main" character.

I think its fair to call out the items by market price, as thats what the player will be looking at in order to get equal level of gear (a TET boss set) in a normal server, and if they choose not to buy it and instead play the gambling game on that, then that will really shock them, being faced with base odds of like 0.5% before failstacks. Player will now quickly realize how good season actually was compared to the nonsense they were just presented with. Im not pro gambling anything in the game, but season is at the top of the pyramid of doing well by a new player.

kitty a écrit :

when I had to grind bandits for season pass I made around 100-200mil silver per hour but that's comparable to normal server. With agris and loot scrolls you don't need cheap season stones and rift echos. omg, I completed one where I had to defeat bheg with his stunning attacks and then saunil captain (but that one whas an easy target). guess what, all I had from that double encounter is 2-3 stones. don't tell me people camp this useless thing. I'd better go kill bandits for 200mil per hour than wasting my time and money on weapon repair.

There are all sorts of objectives that people will set for themselves in the game (dream horses, expensive lifeskilling gear, PVE/PVP gear, boats, etc) and they all uber expensive, paying billions for armor that could of been gotten for free might not, probably should not, be a priority for anyone. Narchilian has no accessories and caps at sub 200 ap, that player that just started isn't going to effectively do gahaz, or centaurs, or sulfur, or anywhere, they're far too undergeared for "200 million per hour", not to mention the agris book, which they probably havent done either and that agris will run out quick and regenerate slowly.

We often forget what it is to be brand new, and are only able to see the game thru our own established lens. Sorta like newcomer/group chat in this game, new player asks question, vet(s) reply "thats so eaaaaasy", new player is left just as confused.

kitty a écrit :

please don't tell me the chances to enchant are good. failing 5 times in a row on chance over 70% isn't good. it's awful if you consider how much money can you get by just selling all the stones. you can easily screw this gambling and just sell all stones.

No gambling is good, you're able to fail at 90% too, its law of probability, but season wildly boosts odds of getting things done, to the point that its foolish to not just jump in there and get it done, even if it frustrated you the first, or even first couple of attempts.

kitty a écrit :

using cron stones on family bound poor gear isn't cost effective. 2mil per cron stone and you will need it for you real items later. I do not understand why you talk about this gear as if it's top notch BiS item. there's no reason to turn it into pen boss gear because that quest is pure slaving and you'll end up paying even more than it's worth (not to mention endless quests to bring this and that). Therefore this gear is dead on arrival, forever at tet boss level, useless for end game and can't be sold for coin.

I used crons first time in a season to get a couple TET to PENs, it was my best gear and i wanted to move onto lifeskilling (bartering) rather than waste another 2 or 3 weeks of season gathering materials to tap, and tap some more, furthermore, im not a gambler, crons have little use for me outside what i need at a basic level, and i have thousands of crons on me once again. Never said everyone should do it, but if thats what player wishes to do, then thats what they should do, i feel its better than getting frustrated to the point of quitting the game, never to return. That player will never use the crons anyway.


TLDR;

Turned this into another wall of text, but new player(s) should all get in those season servers, sip rewards, learn the game, and enjoy themselves while doing so. Get a set of PEN tuvala in the process and look into all sorts of activities, don't just be another "all there is in this game is grinding in a cave" type and do yourself the favor, take off and explore in your new seasonal Tier 8 horse equipped with a manos riding crop.

[kitty]

STP a écrit :

Turned this into another wall of text

I guess this is inevitable for a complex game like BDO :)
Still I do not consider Tuvala better than Narchillan (probably only offhand weapon which has same stats as Kutum and nice for handling trash mobs). Where Tuvala has +3 DP on stats Narchillan instead has +3 DR from monsters on item effect and also it has more beneficial item effects (at least for me).
Also let's not forget about gear soft cap - full set of gear + decent jewelry will put you well above 300 DP which is already soft cap.
Armor is not vital, jewelry is. Without decent jewelry you won't hit at least 209 AP for next bracket of +30. And it goes for both sets. Season gives the ability to get 2 level up bonuses (pen tuvala earring and ring). These by stats are similar to tri rings and I agree, nice to have if you are new and still using witch or asula. But then you will have to make 3 missing jewelry items from set to pen. here comes the greatest frustration, it just fails every time and you know how frustrating it is to repeatedly lose your duo/tri jewelry even with high stack. If this method of obtaining starter gear targets new players I can't imagine how they can manage it without rage quitting.
If someone actually manages to get all pen jewelry it will be equal to soft cap on AP/DP and can be enough to play all zones. I still do not understand why you wanna go with pen gear slavery program if your gear already at cap. start saving and get real pen boss weapon, then jewelry one by one and only then body gear as it's the least needed.

[kitty]

Vambrace a écrit :

After the first character its a good way to gear boss alts... That said its probably best to Mongo the enhancing and just live with what you get. At the end of the season just live with the results of whatever you could manage without sinking Crons or large FS's.

yes, probably that's what is right in this situation. keep expectation at the lowest.

[Keollyn]

Jadam Ensen (^3^) a écrit :

Enhancement in this game is the worst and most undprductive gamble system ever made.

Elsword would like to have a word with you.

[Daddy]

You guys need more than 1 piece of gear to make PEN attempts. You can always use crons or J's hammer if you think it's unfair to upgrade seasonal gear.

[Mouse!]

So there are these things called cron stones. They can stop it failing back a level.

There are also calls scrolls of 100 which you get 1 or 2 of throughout the quests etc...

You can also save a high fail stack using scrolls from blacksmith or the thing I can't remember the name of from a quest.

All these together make leveling to v on season gear easier.

Getting boss gear from IV to v is 2% chance... I didn't bother. I just went doing other stuff and bought V boss gear when I saved up over time. Use the iv on a secondary.

There is the quest line to up the gear which is done over time but when you add up the Mats to do it, it males more sense to just buy it from the market place.

I've played bdo on and off again for years... Left for a while and came back to the last season, felt much easier than previous years, lots of things available to help that wasn't there previously.

I graduated early with everything v. Turned it to boss armor, currently have main, helm and secondary at v so far.