This game still hardcore PvE?

[Sandman]

So back when the game came out, it had a big PVP focus. Slowly over time, they made more and more changes to make the game more friendly to PVE and punish PVP heavily outside of certain circumstances.

I quit when they did that giant karma change where basically killing 2 people would make you an outlaw.

Did they reverse this or did they continue going down the road of basically wiping out open-world pvp?

[Sparzy]

Open world pvp is always bad, u get those few decked out to the max being a$$hats to everyone.

Open world PVE is always best, u play the game to have FUN!

[-(DunRingill)-]

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Escrito originalmente por YamaKami:

Yes but removing that system does not make it better. It just takes your problem and dumps it on new players trying to work their way through the game. The gross issue in your logic here is that anyplace on the map is "yours". If servers get to crowded, jump servers. Or if they are all that way, then more need be opened. Removing the present system only favours players with high GS that have been playing longer. Karma bombing is not even an actual thing, that's just stemming from you being obtuse in your way of playing.

Either share or move on to a different place. You kill them till you are -200 they're laughing at you and your mad. You won that fight right? /s Don't do that, and you won't be -200 karma.

I do feel there should be a server exclusive to PVPers (not hating on PvP) And if some noob is crying about being PK'd there, then much them same to them as I am expressing to you. Too bad, you reap what you sow. Not all player are interested in PvP either. So making the desert this way does't help at all. Just dumps your problem on someone else again. Stick to the PvP channel or wait for them to implement some PvP exclusive server. Otherwise you stop the growth of the game the player base dwindles and profit does in turn. That's when serves start to disappear and the plug is inevitably pulled.

Though at $10USD an outfit. There is probably a little wiggle room there too...

Why would a new player go straight to end-game content? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

Eve Online did it fine. Have a high security area with lower rewards but zero risk. Then as the risk goes up, the rewards do too. Eventually, the highest rewards are completely lawless areas. They can't do something similar to this? And yes, when I was playing, every single channel was crowded.

Escrito originalmente por -(DunRingill)-:

You are saying PVP, but you are describing PKing. Yes, PKing 2 people will drive your karma down hard. There are consequenses for PKing. However, there are a few players that actually enjoy the challenge of being perma-red.

For PVP you can participate in Guild Wars. Both guilds have to mutually agree to war. You won't get any karma penalties for killing enemy guild members.

Also, isn't there a dedicated PVP server?

No, there is a PVP channel, but not a server. So you are not isolated with a character. You hop in and out of the channel but the reward doesn't increase with the risk. Hence, broken system.

And as I pointed out, structured pvp requires attendances and other requirements where 90% of guilds are students and people on permanent disability or EBT.

Yeah, my bad. I meant to say dedicated PVP channel, but instead I said server - .

[Sandman]

Escrito originalmente por My_Nuggets:

guessing its your first ever mmo lo

First MMO was Everquest in 2000 I believe it was. I was around 17 at the time. Black Desert was pitched with a very heavy pvp focus in the marketing and the description of the game.

Let's remember that when the game came out, you lost all your drop items and you lost some xp for getting pked. Then they changed it where you don't lose any xp, you don't lose any of your loot pickups, and then they doubled the karma penalty.

This isn't an issue of me not liking what BDO ever was. It's me not liking what BDO has turned into that it wasn't before.

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Escrito originalmente por My_Nuggets:

... this is a MMO not a FPS game.... you dont just grief people for the sake of it..... until you understand that dont bother playing a mmo XD

thats the bottom line, world pvp in any mmo is pretty stupid and would just lose % of player base.... and more people in that % than the 1% of complete tools that just kill low people cause they are useless.... the people like you, because only one of them idiots would come out with this ♥♥♥♥ lol....
guessing its your first ever mmo lol

eg. i havent did any pvp and i bet the devs made more money from me than you, see the little finer things..... DLC and turnover make changes not one kid that just wants to grief people that invest.

Yeah, most of the people that complain because "there isn't any world PvP here" in reality mean "I want to PK lower geared characters without any consequences because I can't win a fair duel against someone with my same gear and level range".
There is world PvP but if you PK you have to deal with the consequences. Join a guild or duel someone else.

Nope. It means I want there to be some higher risk with the higher reward. If the desert was as they advertised it (a wild west area where there is more pvp but the rewards are insane) then lower-geared players wouldn't be there in the first place.

But that's not what happens. Sasuans is STILL the best place to grind and the desert is a waste. Know why? Because in Korea, the value pack players get desert buff items that actually do make the desert a good place. But people here call that "pay to win" so now we're stuck with Sausans.

Escrito originalmente por Sparzy:

Open world pvp is always bad, u get those few decked out to the max being a$$hats to everyone.

Open world PVE is always best, u play the game to have FUN!

Yet BDO was advertised as a pvp-focused game. And Eve Online does pvp very well. The safe areas you can still make money and you can't pvp at all. Go into the dangerous areas and the cops aren't there and you are in a big risk, but you can make big rewards. How is that bad? Risk vs reward trade-off is a bad thing?

And to me, pvp is fun.

[vkobe]

low geared dont go in valencia, because monsters are too hard to kill or they hit players too hard

from what i heard valencia and kamasylva give more xp or better reward

last time i check you can kill everyone in no safe zone :^)

[Sandman]

Escrito originalmente por vkobe:

low geared dont go in valencia, because monsters are too hard to kill or they hit players too hard

from what i heard valencia and kamasylva give more xp or better reward

last time i check you can kill everyone in no safe zone :^)

xp is sort of meaningless. Grind is about cash. Lvl 60 guys with high gear scores can breeze through sausans and make way more cash than going to the desert. The reason they won't buff the desert is because the Koreans already get a desert buff with their value packs. But they removed that from the NA value packs because people complain about "pay to win."

So the desert makes sense in Korea and it sucks in the US.

[Boink]

There is a dedicated channel for you to "enjoy" pvp

Most "PvP" players that complains about this go to grind areas with lower expected gear. That explains why YOU killed 2 players and got negative karma (150k ? hits). You purposely went there knowing you can handle yourself in those areas.

Val 6 is your answer you will find players who enjoys the game you want to play. You don't get hit with -150k for me that is some insane gear gap.

[Sandman]

Escrito originalmente por Boink:

There is a dedicated channel for you to "enjoy" pvp

Most "PvP" players that complains about this go to grind areas with lower expected gear. That explains why YOU killed 2 players and got negative karma (150k ? hits). You purposely went there knowing you can handle yourself in those areas.

Val 6 is your answer you will find players who enjoys the game you want to play. You don't get hit with -150k for me that is some insane gear gap.

Dude, Sausans is the most profitable area in the game. Especially at later levels and higher GS. That's a design flaw. It's not about "handling yourself." It's about people who interrupt your grind on purpose knowing the karma system can be used as a weapon. So they try to interrupt your grind, you kill them, and then they keep going back to get killed. Reason being that they suffer zero penalty for messing with your grind spot but you suffer negative karma for dealing with it.

It's passive-aggressive pvp. Are you going to disagree with that?

[vkobe]

it is why you have valencia 6, nobody can karmabomb you in valencia 6

and sausage is supposed for level below 60, you have kamasylva and valencia :^)

[Reistrix Hunter]

I just want them to add 1% EXP loss on PvP death again.

[SHADOW]

I'm a PVE player ... Just like a lot of other people in this game, there always been more PVE players than PVP players ~

Yep, you're not the majority, you're just the kikoo players that can ruins everybody's game experience when you start PK for no reasons (The reason why Albion is dying, it's because there is not a lot of PVP kikoo players, so without the PVE players, the game just die and i really hope it dies, because PVP focus in a MMORPG ... It's stupid).

I'm not against Arenas, World VS World, Guild VS Guild, it's really good !! But i'm totaly against random PK in the open world, because that can totaly ♥♥♥♥ up the PVE players who's just there to kill stupid mobs or farm to be the richest with the best gear that can litteraly buy or get everything just with money => That's me, he he.

So the devs had to put something against you, or you would be a little piece of ♥♥♥♥ that run everywhere to kill everyone even if they are lvl 10 or 20 (Because it's fun to ruin other people experience, huh ?)

A lot of kikoo pvp players left the game and that's cool !! It's perfect !! Karma have to stay the way it is, just to make sure that there is no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that can litteraly destroy other people's experience.

That's how a MMO behave my boy !!

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Escrito originalmente por SHADOW:

I'm a PVE player ... Just like a lot of other people in this game, there always been more PVE players than PVP players ~

Yep, you're not the majority, you're just the kikoo players that can ruins everybody's game experience when you start PK for no reasons (The reason why Albion is dying, it's because there is not a lot of PVP kikoo players, so without the PVE players, the game just die and i really hope it dies, because PVP focus in a MMORPG ... It's stupid).

I'm not against Arenas, World VS World, Guild VS Guild, it's really good !! But i'm totaly against random PK in the open world, because that can totaly ♥♥♥♥ up the PVE players who's just there to kill stupid mobs or farm to be the richest with the best gear that can litteraly buy or get everything just with money => That's me, he he.

So the devs had to put something against you, or you would be a little piece of ♥♥♥♥ that run everywhere to kill everyone even if they are lvl 10 or 20 (Because it's fun to ruin other people experience, huh ?)

A lot of kikoo pvp players left the game and that's cool !! It's perfect !! Karma have to stay the way it is, just to make sure that there is no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that can litteraly destroy other people's experience.

That's how a MMO behave my boy !!

Honest, SHADOW -- I'm not stalking you. We just happened to be checking out the same threads.

With that said - i have to say I like posts, man ..... well said ...

Putting consequences for PKing others is a neccessity in an MMORPG. And without affecting the PVPers..... seems like a win / win to me.

[axelmonster]

They can't karmabomb you if you don't have any karma! Just go red, stop being so scared. Or just outgrind them, they'll leave eventually if they are not getting any loot or xp.
Also, if you think Sausans is THE best grindspot in the game, you are neither high levelled nor well geared.

[Sandman]

Escrito originalmente por axelmonster:

They can't karmabomb you if you don't have any karma! Just go red, stop being so scared. Or just outgrind them, they'll leave eventually if they are not getting any loot or xp.
Also, if you think Sausans is THE best grindspot in the game, you are neither high levelled nor well geared.

"Outgrind" means you're there for hours ruining your grind time. If it's some unemployed guy, he can stay there all day long just for kicks. When your time to play is limited, and someone goes and starts interrupting your grind for fun, I don't see how that's much different than killing you.

People seem to continue to gloss over how in the Korean version, desert gets a boost that NA does not get. The intent is that the desert is more dangerous and you're subject to more pvp yet the rewards are better. This is not the case in the NA version because people complained about pay-to-win

So high-levels go to Sasuans and semi-afk it every day for quick cash. Why go to the desert when clearly it's not a better grind space?

[Boink]

I seriously think you are exagerrating your claims of you wanting pvp. A lot of players already pointed out there is Val 6.

If I wanted PVP i go Jungle Rotation in Pirates, it is harder for players to "karma bomb" since they need to swim all the way back to the spot. You are out there in Sausans close to a node complaining about someone "PVE" ing your spot and "Karmabomb" yourself in the process.

If I was really gear'd to the point that killing 2 players gives me 150k karma in Sausans I be moving myself to Gyfin Rhasia and getting a group. Gyfin Rhasia is by far the best of all the grinds you mention'd. You go to Sausans you will more likely meet players who don't have access to a boat and new players who might even contest your spot even they have no chance on winning because they think it's part of the game. Open PVP suggest they done nothing wrong calling it "KarmaBomb" it is jsut a tiresome excuse.

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Escrito originalmente por Boink:

I seriously think you are exagerrating your claims of you wanting pvp. A lot of players already pointed out there is Val 6.

If I wanted PVP i go Jungle Rotation in Pirates, it is harder for players to "karma bomb" since they need to swim all the way back to the spot. You are out there in Sausans close to a node complaining about someone "PVE" ing your spot and "Karmabomb" yourself in the process.

If I was really gear'd to the point that killing 2 players gives me 150k karma in Sausans I be moving myself to Gyfin Rhasia and getting a group. Gyfin Rhasia is by far the best of all the grinds you mention'd. You go to Sausans you will more likely meet players who don't have access to a boat and new players who might even contest your spot even they have no chance on winning because they think it's part of the game. Open PVP suggest they done nothing wrong calling it "KarmaBomb" it is jsut a tiresome excuse.

+1
PVP is there if you want it. PKing is a different thing. PKing has its consequences. KarmaBombing is just another way of saying "He made me do it." Trolls and jerks exist in all social games. How you react to them is 100% your call - 100% your responsibility.