Potential new player; question regarding PvP.

[Joe Zombie]

I'm reading reviews here and a lot of them say that PvP is very inaccessible unless you grind for hours upon hours for the best gear, or pay for things.

I enjoy PvE but for a game to keep me interested long-term it needs good PvP. Are these reviews true?

[Lyguard]

İlk olarak LPW tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Benno Priceless tarafından gönderildi:

If you look up a quick guide or have someone help you, you can get to level 50 in 2 hours max on Olivia. PVP is the "endgame" of BDO. It's not the type of PVP you can just jump into and expect to win like most games these days. Gear is more important than level and in a lot of cases, class and skill and one of the ways to get it is through grinding however there are other ways too such as lifeskills a lot of which can be done AFK.

Watching videos about BDO's combat does not do it justice. The combat has a great feel to it and flows well. It's fast paced and rewarding. In saying that some of the classes are very complicated and take a lot of practice. This also means that there are major differences in player skill. I'm over 1k hours in, level 59 with mid tier gear and I still find myself having to run from most fights. If you are after "Balanced" PVP, this isn't your game. If you are after PVP where you have to earn your wins through hard work, perserverence and luck (You can't p2w gear), then BDO PVP is for you.

So gearing outweighs skill huh... being a new player that sounds pretty lame.. Are stats at least bolstered/balanced in large-scale PvP?

Yes, a high skill player with bad gear will almost certainly lose to a low skill player with good gear if all other factors are constant. In my opinion, if someone has gone to the trouble to get gear good enough to beat new but skilled players, they probably deserve the win, gearing is A LOT harder compared to WoW and other similar games and not many people even have the second highest tier of gear in the game let alone the first. There are many other factors that come into account however such as "class counters" and PVP isn't balanced around 1v1.

While I have not participated in it as of yet, I've heard that balancing in BDO mainly occurs around nodewars which is the large scale PVP where guilds fight for control of points of interest around the world. From what I gather, classes have different roles to play in node wars where teammates make up for what the class would lack in 1v1.

[The Grin]

" from what ive seen as of the 7 hours played, someone asked me to "duel" so yeah, i think its got a pretty good pvp :D "

PVP is the worst part in this game, it´s horribly unbalanced (as well as all classes, prepare yourself for the LAHN meme...) and being proud of having 250 DP at level 56/57 is only an illusion since you will understand quite fast that you are wearing paper armor.
If you are in a guild and get regularly pked by cry babies or red ones for grind spots, or you cant change server and you find yourself in a Guild war against 3 fully geared level 61 against you alone.......come back to me and tell me again that PVP is good...
The game is good but the PVP...absolutely not.

[Blood & Thunder]

Not even the PvE is good... you just spam the same skill over and over and one shot all the monsters in your way, with no challenge. If that is satisfying... good luck.

[SolidSolace]

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İlk olarak LPW tarafından gönderildi:

So gearing outweighs skill huh... being a new player that sounds pretty lame.. Are stats at least bolstered/balanced in large-scale PvP?

Yes, a high skill player with bad gear will almost certainly lose to a low skill player with good gear if all other factors are constant. In my opinion, if someone has gone to the trouble to get gear good enough to beat new but skilled players, they probably deserve the win, gearing is A LOT harder compared to WoW and other similar games and not many people even have the second highest tier of gear in the game let alone the first. There are many other factors that come into account however such as "class counters" and PVP isn't balanced around 1v1.

While I have not participated in it as of yet, I've heard that balancing in BDO mainly occurs around nodewars which is the large scale PVP where guilds fight for control of points of interest around the world. From what I gather, classes have different roles to play in node wars where teammates make up for what the class would lack in 1v1.

I suppose that's a fair point, time invested shouldn't be time wasted gear wise. However I was hoping for some semblance of skill-related PvP in the late game. Shame they didn't implement a system like Vindictus, where often times players were stat adjusted to similar levels so that all was fair game. Then again, I don't have the time nor experience yet in BDO to write it off as completely unlikeable yet. Thanks for the heads up.

[Sleepypup]

Your best bet would be to look at the reviews of people who have more than say 500hrs. ingame. Alot of that time might be afk fishing etc. But you might get a better idea of pvp game balancing, and the game itself in general.

[robruckus65]

Doing actual pvp and having any chance at all requires being level 60+ with atround 480gs. Even at 480 gs you wlll get melted instantly by those better geared than yourself but you will stand a slight chance. There isnt really any low level pvp besides maybe dueling a friend or having someone not in the 500+gs range flag on you. ITs pretty much the same in any mmo though Those with end game gear will always decimate those without it.

[Joe Zombie]

İlk olarak robruckus65 tarafından gönderildi:

Doing actual pvp and having any chance at all requires being level 60+ with atround 480gs. Even at 480 gs you wlll get melted instantly by those better geared than yourself but you will stand a slight chance. There isnt really any low level pvp besides maybe dueling a friend or having someone not in the 500+gs range flag on you. ITs pretty much the same in any mmo though Those with end game gear will always decimate those without it.

A lot of MMOs have actually taken steps to normalize stats/gear in PvP so everyone is at least somewhat balanced, then skill comes into play.

[its all slop]

İlk olarak Joe Zombie tarafından gönderildi:

I'm reading reviews here and a lot of them say that PvP is very inaccessible unless you grind for hours upon hours for the best gear, or pay for things.

I enjoy PvE but for a game to keep me interested long-term it needs good PvP. Are these reviews true?

First you need servers that are stable and that actually work properly. (servers are garbage) You need to grind forever, get lucky with RNG rolls for better gear, AAANND you need to spend $ to be "good" in PVP. You will just get 1 shotted if you are below the curve. The least amount you can get away with is buying 5 pets which is roughly 35$ and you need a Value Pack every month which is 10$ per month. Avoid this game at all cost.

[its all slop]

İlk olarak Atoli tarafından gönderildi:

You don't have to spend money and the only thing in the money shop that might help is an outfit that will hide your name so you can ambush other players for pvp but I rarely run into other players who do that but then I've only been around lvl 56 on several characters and even then if they decide to attack me I just keep going back and karma bombing them so they lose lot's of karma and have issues. In order to go to lvl 50 and enable world pvp you have to do a quest so if you don't want it to be on you don't have to but you won't be able to continue past lvl 49.

This is a total lie except the bit about lvl 50 opens up pvp. Also, notice how messed up the pvp mechanics are in this game. This guy say to just karma bomb them... This game is not for pvp'ers.

[robruckus65]

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İlk olarak Atoli tarafından gönderildi:

You don't have to spend money and the only thing in the money shop that might help is an outfit that will hide your name so you can ambush other players for pvp but I rarely run into other players who do that but then I've only been around lvl 56 on several characters and even then if they decide to attack me I just keep going back and karma bombing them so they lose lot's of karma and have issues. In order to go to lvl 50 and enable world pvp you have to do a quest so if you don't want it to be on you don't have to but you won't be able to continue past lvl 49.

This is a total lie except the bit about lvl 50 opens up pvp. Also, notice how messed up the pvp mechanics are in this game. This guy say to just karma bomb them... This game is not for pvp'ers.

Open world pvp is there but is heavily penalized for good reason. If you want to pvp there are guild wars which have no karma penalty. There are node wars. There is the red battlefield. THere is the arena. There are sieges. That being said peopel that karma bomb or worse than those that pk if you cant defend a spot just move or switch servers.

[Nemull]

i played this game a lot few years ago, and pvp was totally broken unless you spent like.. 9 to 12 hours day grinding for the best gear, ironically the places to farm these gear were populated by no life people full geared already, so the best thing u can do is playing "animal crossing" thing,fishing taming, and all other activities.
Unless you have these 12 hours per day free and want to spend it in this game

[robruckus65]

İlk olarak Nmull tarafından gönderildi:

i played this game a lot few years ago, and pvp was totally broken unless you spent like.. 9 to 12 hours day grinding for the best gear, ironically the places to farm these gear were populated by no life people full geared already, so the best thing u can do is playing "animal crossing" thing,fishing taming, and all other activities.
Unless you have these 12 hours per day free and want to spend it in this game

THe best gear is dropped by bosses except accesories. Then in all honesty it is better to just buy upgraded accesories since enhancing them is incredibly expensive and filled with frustration.

[Kraako]

This games pvp is a joke, a huge joke... when this game was released everyone who made videos said it's a pvp focused game and the game is lacking pve content.

Yesterday I farmed +10 hours to buy a new weapon after that I decided i might test out little bit of pvp without knowing how the karma system actually works. this put me on negative karma, which results in: you can't visit cities cause guards will atttack you, any player can kill you without losing their karma, you lose more experience than usual if you die with low karma, if you die from mobs, your gear will be damaged and lose its level. So I basically lost about a week's progress when I died from monsters for trying out world pvp for 15 minutes.

So to get my karma back to positive I will have to start grinding mobs for hours and then another week of grinding mobs to get the gold and upgrade my gear to get back where I was. World pvp don't have any benefits either, more than it could be fun, but for a damn high price.

This game is not a good pvp game, it's pve players paradise lol...

[robruckus65]

İlk olarak Kraako tarafından gönderildi:

This games pvp is a joke, a huge joke... when this game was released everyone who made videos said it's a pvp focused game and the game is lacking pve content.

Yesterday I farmed +10 hours to buy a new weapon after that I decided i might test out little bit of pvp without knowing how the karma system actually works. this put me on negative karma, which results in: you can't visit cities cause guards will atttack you, any player can kill you without losing their karma, you lose more experience than usual if you die with low karma, if you die from mobs, your gear will be damaged and lose its level. So I basically lost about a week's progress when I died from monsters for trying out world pvp for 15 minutes.

So to get my karma back to positive I will have to start grinding mobs for hours and then another week of grinding mobs to get the gold and upgrade my gear to get back where I was. World pvp don't have any benefits either, more than it could be fun, but for a damn high price.

This game is not a good pvp game, it's pve players paradise lol...

Well you started murdering people that werent flagged. That isn't the pvp focus of this game that is why it is punished. The pvp the game focuses on and rewards is guild vesus guild based pvp like nodewars and castle sieges. Running up and ganking unflagged players is barely even pvp to begin with its just griefing/trolling. IF you want to do this without punishment you can head over to the pvp server.

[its all slop]

how do you know this game system is bad? you have to leave your computer running 24 hrs a day to progress. what a joke!