Few warnings before you buy

[Excore]

1. It's most gear dependable mmo in market. This means that veterans who bought game 2 years ago will 1-shot you. You will spend insane amount of time farming cash for gear to stand even chance.

2. Reason why gear cap is so huge is because of Artisan Memories. These allow you to repair 4x more which means you will save many many billions. You need repair you gear to upgrade it. You will also have to have at least 5x pets or you will lose lot of time grinding.

You're not "forced" to buy these but they will save you years worth of gametime unless you're nolife then maybe 6-months. Progress is all about cash vs time spent.

3. Pve isn't challanging. You just grind same stuff over and over again. You log once in while alt to clear simple boss once it spawns, then log back to main grinding and you do that same thing months.

Only challanging content is pvp but because it's so gear dependant and class imbalanced you won't have fun time with it. It also doesn't give you proper rewards unless you're in high end gvg guild but you need to have sick gear first.

[ChoeChoeTrain]

1.) Of. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Course. Players who played for years vs someone who only played for a few months is of course going to get beat by the vet. Why should someone who played for a week be able to compete with someone who played for 2 years?

2.) This is just flat out wrong. Might as well state that the earth is flat too. Its all RNG. I've met players who have never bought a single artisan yet they're over 500gs and I've met players who sink a lot of money into artisans yet they're still stuck in pri-tri gear. Gear cap is huge because RNG and the fact that not everyone has been playing for the same amount of time. You either get lucky or you don't. And dude theres nothing wrong with taking your time. The game shouldn't be meant to be a race to 60+ 500+gs. Explore, do some life skilling activites like sailing and kidnapping afk fishers, ♥♥♥♥ around in arena with your friends, etc.

3.) Eh I kinda agree with you on this. The game needs more pve content instead of just mindless grinding.

[Excore]

1.

Tell me one game where veteran can 1-shot someone? You could play example WoW/Cs/LoL 2-years and you won't have advantage over anyone.

You think if you play 3v3 arena in wow or play guildwars you do 10x more damage than all rest?

Just because you found out about random game 2-years earlier doesn't mean you should be priviledged to 1-shot anyone. I don't mind small advantage because I like challange but gear cap in this game is insane.

You should go off from your high horse and think you're somekind pro in pvp just because you grinded mobs 3000 hours. Your epeen stinks.

What happened to skill? Gear does not equal skill. There is no skill about farming mobs that are brainless.


2.

It's not just rng. It's statistical. If you have 20% chance to upgrade tet it means you will fail it with 4 times and succeed 1. You will see that it's statistical when you upgrade ALL gear, not just one. It will even it out.

One thing is certain though.. You will save 75% by buying artisan memories. You will spend 2k-3k+ frags while if you p2w it's only 500-750.

That's 6-12 months worth of farming depending how much you play. If you don't think this game is p2w then please go google definition of that word. People p2w to catch up veterans that's why pearlshop is there in first place. This is reason why it's 100% gear 0% skill so people buy artisans to catch up. No single game does that.

[Boink]

I never bought artisans by the way and i'm over 500gs. This includes my alt Wizard just recently got my stuff back to TRI.

The real enhancement bottleneck is hards and sharps. People I know buy artisans because they dont want to do scrolls which is the most boring part. Scrolls are readily available in Marketplace. Hards & Sharps is an absolute requirement to build cheap failstacks. I don't know anyone who builds failstacks using boss armor (which by the way also uses hards/sharps on Pri-Pen) except on maybe TRI or TET-PEN phase. It is pretty much a given statistics probability. They dont have a choice.

[Pudding]

Originally posted by Excore:

1. It's most gear dependable mmo in market. This means that veterans who bought game 2 years ago will 1-shot you. You will spend insane amount of time farming cash for gear to stand even chance.

2. Reason why gear cap is so huge is because of Artisan Memories. These allow you to repair 4x more which means you will save many many billions. You need repair you gear to upgrade it. You will also have to have at least 5x pets or you will lose lot of time grinding.

You're not "forced" to buy these but they will save you years worth of gametime unless you're nolife then maybe 6-months. Progress is all about cash vs time spent.

3. Pve isn't challanging. You just grind same stuff over and over again. You log once in while alt to clear simple boss once it spawns, then log back to main grinding and you do that same thing months.

Only challanging content is pvp but because it's so gear dependant and class imbalanced you won't have fun time with it. It also doesn't give you proper rewards unless you're in high end gvg guild but you need to have sick gear first.

1. it is not hard to catch up, everyon is in tri, if u are in top guild they can carry you through resources.

2. 4x lol, i never use a single artisan in my life time in this game, i gotten tri dande sura and cestus with just blowing up my silvers in scroll groups. You can repair gear using use it's base version, for boss gear u use mem frags, ultimate armors, you can just use green to repair those.

pvp is skill dependant, knows that from farming countless hrs in pirate. everyone have climb same ladders. what you called pay to win is "Allods, Archage, and those games like world of warship" where u can buy your way up, here u can't buy your way up, unless u are a total cockless who buys account.

[Excore]

Originally posted by Boink:

I never bought artisans by the way and i'm over 500gs. This includes my alt Wizard just recently got my stuff back to TRI.

The real enhancement bottleneck is hards and sharps. People I know buy artisans because they dont want to do scrolls which is the most boring part. Scrolls are readily available in Marketplace. Hards & Sharps is an absolute requirement to build cheap failstacks. I don't know anyone who builds failstacks using boss armor except on maybe TRI or TET-PEN phase. It is pretty much a given statistics probability. They dont have a choice.

Dude it's 2 year old game.. Get off your high horse.

Would you be happy if you start completely new game and there is veteran who can 1-shot you? Or would you only take opposite roles?

Also please post screenshot of your played time.

Also I agree sharps/hards are painful to get and gathering is so boring. You can't even snipe them off market at attendance days because you can' bid item if it's undercut so 99% of items goes into buyout and you compete against latency and bots.

[Excore]

Originally posted by Pudding:

Originally posted by Excore:

1. It's most gear dependable mmo in market. This means that veterans who bought game 2 years ago will 1-shot you. You will spend insane amount of time farming cash for gear to stand even chance.

2. Reason why gear cap is so huge is because of Artisan Memories. These allow you to repair 4x more which means you will save many many billions. You need repair you gear to upgrade it. You will also have to have at least 5x pets or you will lose lot of time grinding.

You're not "forced" to buy these but they will save you years worth of gametime unless you're nolife then maybe 6-months. Progress is all about cash vs time spent.

3. Pve isn't challanging. You just grind same stuff over and over again. You log once in while alt to clear simple boss once it spawns, then log back to main grinding and you do that same thing months.

Only challanging content is pvp but because it's so gear dependant and class imbalanced you won't have fun time with it. It also doesn't give you proper rewards unless you're in high end gvg guild but you need to have sick gear first.

1. it is not hard to catch up, everyon is in tri, if u are in top guild they can carry you through resources.

2. 4x lol, i never use a single artisan in my life time in this game, i gotten tri dande sura and cestus with just blowing up my silvers in scroll groups. You can repair gear using use it's base version, for boss gear u use mem frags, ultimate armors, you can just use green to repair those.

pvp is skill dependant, knows that from farming countless hrs in pirate. everyone have climb same ladders. what you called pay to win is "Allods, Archage, and those games like world of warship" where u can buy your way up, here u can't buy your way up, unless u are a total cockless who buys account.

Getting 7x boss gear to tri and all accessories to tri you think happens in finger snap? Also for your info most veteran gvg guilds have most parts allready TET, pen is rarity though.

Ok..

Just don't reply anymore until you post me your played time ingame. Also all your characters so I know it's not posted on alt.

It's easy to brag when you have veteran account. Do this in couple months to be competive in pvp and we can go on from there. Unfortunally you need to play insane amount of hours because this game is 100% gear 0% skill. It's always about gear first. Artisan Memory won't help your old account but it will help all new players who join only now.

It's also funny when they say bdo is pvp game when 99% of time you do pve just to catch up gear progression.

[Boink]

Originally posted by Excore:

Originally posted by Boink:

I never bought artisans by the way and i'm over 500gs. This includes my alt Wizard just recently got my stuff back to TRI.

The real enhancement bottleneck is hards and sharps. People I know buy artisans because they dont want to do scrolls which is the most boring part. Scrolls are readily available in Marketplace. Hards & Sharps is an absolute requirement to build cheap failstacks. I don't know anyone who builds failstacks using boss armor except on maybe TRI or TET-PEN phase. It is pretty much a given statistics probability. They dont have a choice.

Dude it's 2 year old game.. Get off your high horse.

Would you be happy if you start completely new game and there is veteran who can 1-shot you? Or would you only take opposite roles?

I didnt played during beta. I played on Steam release. Never bought a single artisans and got TET and TRi stuff. Just got lucky I guess.

Open PVP doesn't happen enough or maybe it is just my case. There is Valencia 6 where most vets enjoy without any penalty this includes losing their 500m-1bil gems.

[Excore]

Originally posted by Boink:

Originally posted by Excore:

Dude it's 2 year old game.. Get off your high horse.

Would you be happy if you start completely new game and there is veteran who can 1-shot you? Or would you only take opposite roles?

I didnt played during beta. I played on Steam release. Never bought a single artisans and got TET and TRi stuff. Just got lucky I guess.

Open PVP doesn't happen enough or maybe it is just my case. There is Valencia 6 where most vets enjoy without any penalty this includes losing their 500m-1bil gems.

You need to have all 7 boss parts. Especially armor because you need accuracy against it.

After that all accessory to tri or tet.

People who have played 2-years have so much gear advantage that it take you 1-year to just catch up gear as there is no diminishing returns on gear like lvls.

If you're nolife then you might catch up sooner but even then it's 24-7 grinding.


Pvp would be more competive if gs cap was smaller but if it was then people wouldn't buy artisan memories. Their whole gameplay is designed around it.

If you're competive pvp player I wouldn't suggest buying this as you need waste 8 months playing 24-7 PVE only.

[Pudding]

Game is hard

https://imgur.com/a/nmRza read the chat

honest review of the game: it isn't perpect but fun for me and it isn't even p2w compare to f tons of games i played before. if u are in wow state of mind who still craves for content same sht over and over then stay there till, i play to have fun not to facedesk my face every week.

[Excore]

Originally posted by Pudding:

Game is hard

https://imgur.com/a/nmRza read the chat

I asked for played time though. Press P

Also gear isn't very impressive. Veterans can 2shot you and you lack lot of ap.

[Pudding]

it is not about gear at that point is about balance ap and dp and skill, since i can stand toe to toe to regular farmers in pirate at my channel.

[Pudding]

https://imgur.com/a/vwKPn if i can do that gearing casually, everyone is more than capable enough to have better rng and much better gear than me with those time. 120+days with other toons combine.

[Excore]

Originally posted by Pudding:

https://imgur.com/a/vwKPn if i can do that gearing casually, everyone is more than capable enough to have better rng and much better gear than me with those time. 120+days with other toons combine.

100x24h is 2400 hours.

If you play daily 3 hours = 800 days.

I assume that most of was afk though. Eather way it will take 1+ year for casual gamer. And you have better gear than avarage but not even close to veterans.

I don't mind having gear advantage but it's unfortunate that most of time when you do pvp gear directs how it goes. They're forced to have this cap to sell artisans.

If you're type of gamer who wants to jump into challanging content it won't happen in bdo. You need grind first billions so you can pvp.

[Pudding]

Originally posted by Excore:

Originally posted by Pudding:

https://imgur.com/a/vwKPn if i can do that gearing casually, everyone is more than capable enough to have better rng and much better gear than me with those time. 120+days with other toons combine.

100x24h is 2400 hours.

If you play daily 3 hours = 800 days.

I assume that most of was afk though. Eather way it will take 1+ year for casual gamer. And you have better gear than avarage but not even close to veterans.

I don't mind having gear advantage but it's unfortunate that most of time when you do pvp gear directs how it goes. They're forced to have this cap to sell artisans.

i started mid year last year, and for player like me i am more likely to encounter same players at my range of ap/dp score, slightly high or slightly below of that, and i don't even have problem with them what so ever. My evasion starter gear bought me enough time to survive each time i get gank by higher levels. And again u don't have to use artisan nor use boss gear itself to repair boss gear thats stupid. u can farm pirate, get 60million+ return home, buy scrolls, get fragments, repair gear and then repeat.

[Excore]

Originally posted by Pudding:

Originally posted by Excore:

100x24h is 2400 hours.

If you play daily 3 hours = 800 days.

I assume that most of was afk though. Eather way it will take 1+ year for casual gamer. And you have better gear than avarage but not even close to veterans.

I don't mind having gear advantage but it's unfortunate that most of time when you do pvp gear directs how it goes. They're forced to have this cap to sell artisans.

i started mid year last year, and for player like me i am more likely to encounter same players at my range of ap/dp score, slightly high or slightly below of that, and i don't even have problem with them what so ever. My evasion starter gear bought me enough time to survive each time i get gank by higher levels. And again u don't have to use artisan nor use boss gear itself to repair boss gear thats stupid. u can farm pirate, get 60million+ return home, buy scrolls, get fragments, repair gear and then repeat.

It's not stupid if you're wealthy. You can save 7bil by just buying artisans alone. 3xt5 pets will also save you billions.

Players who join pirates only now has to meet veterans like you. I wish gear cap was smaller so game is more skill dependant.

Besides world pvp doesn't even happen or if it does it's pointless. Everytime I'm at pirates we party with 4 people and grind our own packs because it's faster xp.

There is no arenas/battlegrounds that offer proper rewards etc.. It's just few guilds that want 480gs and do gvg only like once per week. Pvp in this game is very poor and unbalanced.

Personally I mostly afk craft/sometimes grind in this game, collecting cp and knowledge too. If I want challange I log my wow account and play 3v3 or some bgs.