If i buy the base game...

[The Fonze]

do i have to pay for a subscription like so many other mmorpgs on steam? Or is it like W.o.W. wherein i can only level up to a certain level? Perhaps its buy once and pay for the cosmetics? Thanks for answering.....

[Reistrix Hunter]

It's buy once and then pay for convenience items.

[Raveneire]

You also have the option of buying a 15$ "value pack" that gives you additional bonuses while it's active. Works like a pseudo subscription every month.

[Reistrix Hunter]

Originally posted by ripyaanew1:

Oh come on BDO community lets move past this already. Enough sugarcoating.

Most items are pay for convenience/progress faster, but yes it is very pay2win in most regards.

[vkobe]

Originally posted by Malcolm Tucker:

do i have to pay for a subscription like so many other mmorpgs on steam? Or is it like W.o.W. wherein i can only level up to a certain level? Perhaps its buy once and pay for the cosmetics? Thanks for answering.....

buy the ticket and you can play black desert for your full life ^_^

look everquest, it is old of 30 years, so expect to play black desert for 30 years for only 5$ ^_^

[Brudda]

Originally posted by RexVermillion:

You also have the option of buying a 15$ "value pack" that gives you additional bonuses while it's active. Works like a pseudo subscription every month.

Is this p2w?

[DSoctober]

no subscription or dlc here. You can level up as far as you wish - your motivation is a question here bc it's a marathon to get to lvl 60 and I don't even know what to call leveling past 61.
You can access all parts of the game for the base price but progression is gear driven.

Instead we have mentioned above value pack - it gives you: +16 inventory slots ; +200LT weight limit ; unlimited dying pallet for your equipment ; unlimited apperiance editing (facials etc.) and removes 30% tax from transactions. Effects are applied to all created characters.

None of it should feel necessary until you are very far in the game and selling items for tens of millions of silver.

Oh, and we have a very atrocious RNG system for enhancemnt that will teach you just how far 99% is from 100% chance.

Add to the buying cost 3-5 pets (don't remember the $ price but they are 1,100pearls )

[Deathraven13]

It's buy once and pay for cosmetics and convenience.

The game is very different compared to other MMO, for instance compared to blade and souls where you have some missions that take 1 hours to do in group to gather something you must bid on here you don't have that crap.

The fact that the game is not pay to win is pretty cool too, no items in cash shop give you an advantage in PvP and you have a second shop that sell usefull things without spending money, everyday daily login you can collect 100 loyalties, when you collect enough you can buy an inventory expension slot, character slot etc etc etc. No permanent skin tho.

Now since some trolls came and said that the game is Pay to win I'll ask my question to them: Same level, same class, same gear, 1 player use cash shop and the other don't who will win for sure ?

Answer is we don't know, in most MMO it would be the cash shop user but here unless it's a race to who become pro 1 at cooking first a cash shop user have no advantages in PvP. If you can watch a video about the cash shop of BDO and see for yourself, but do know that the price in cash shop is expensive: 1000 pearl = 10$/10 euros, a pet is 1100, full skins are between 2700 to 3300 pearls, you can buy a costume in market place if you are lucky without spending IRL money.

Long story short: You don't have to spend money on the cash shop since you have royalties to collect, it's slow but it's free and since the cash shop is overpriced....... and since the game have multiple ways to earn money (grinding, lifeskill, workers) you'll have a lot of things you can do and play at your own pace. You should watch some youtube beginner video because the game as a lot to offer along 18 classes if I remember right.

In case you ask if you should buy explorer and traveler pack I'll say buy the most expensive one or both if it's possible, at -50% it's worth it because for the most expensive one you get 2 value packs, 1 value pack = 1500 pearl. You get a horse and a pet, pet being usefull while the horse is fine.

[Kest]

You could sell outfits for silver, but it is not an smart idea. Most premium outfits cost 30 $ (3000) pearls, and they go at the market place for like 230 million silver which it is not a lot. A tri dandelion weapon cost around 930 million silver. A Tet/Pen weapon goes for Billions. In order to make silver from the cash shop you will need to dish a lot $ just to buy one weapon (Pen/Tet). I am not counting armor and accessories.

So. if you have a lot money ( and I mean a lot) sitting down in your bank account, then yes, you could buy a lot outfits and sell them for silver.

Now, this game does not have the same pay to win options like WoW, Dc Universe, and other games due to the exchange from $ to silver. The amount of $ that you put is way to much to the amount of silver you get in return.

In Wow, you can buy 2/3 gold tokens for 20$ which equals (depending on the server) around 250000 or more gold. 3 or 4 tokens can easily buy you several mythic runs from the top guild getting most of the loot. or you could buy the mythic welfare gear from the auction house.

Most people buy pets (x 5 pets), outfits, value packs, life skilling stuff, and maybe storage space/weight limit.

So if we do the math: Tri weapons which are not the top tier, and can give you maybe 200 AP if lucky. Each weapon will cost you around 930 mill give or take (base price). With 3 weapons 930 mill x 3= 2790 billion silver.

2790 / by 230 million silver = 12 outfits. (Only boss weapons/gear/GOLD...NOT blue/green stuff. After all we are discussing the pay to win concept)

Each outfit cost you around 30$ x 12 = 360 $ just for 3 weapons. So you buy all your gear (tri) and maybe 210 ap. You are still not winning anything as many of the veteran pvp players AP goes around from 270 + AP. In addition, you have no value pack, no pets (farming is useless), and no skills on how to play that character (Assuming you buying everything at level 1 and power level to 56).

Finally, can you buy main weapons, awakening weapons, sub weapons, armor, & accessories with $ ? Yes you can, but it is not a smart idea.

[Kest]

My advice is buy 3 or 4 pets. You could wait each month for the attendance (you may get a free pet or two). You get multiple value packs for doing the main quest. Each value pack that is given to you for free goes for 1 to 7 days. Once those value packs are done you can buy whatever value pack you want : 30/90. Keep in mind that the game does give you at least 1 (7 day) value pack for each character that you create.

Only buy an outfit for the character that your going to be playing the most. With the loyalty points you get each day (100) buy the 530% experience scroll (Cost 1 loyalty point). Get into a good guild and ask questions.

[Puppet Pal Clem]

objectively p2w unless you enjoy staying behind and never catching up with others. If you aren't willing to spend at least $300-500 you'll progress extremely slow more slower than any mmorpg out there and i hope you enjoy toxic RNG, grinding, and never being able to fight back pvp griefers. People who spend money will always dominate you in pvp/lifeskill/pve. Guilds who have members who spend money always stay ontop, anyone who spends money will be miles ahead of you and stay miles ahead of you. You'll have to literally burn your life, not work a job, leech off your parents without paying rent to be able to catch up or be viable for anything other than solo pve content.

If you love PVE and solo content then sure go ahead. If you enjoy pvp and group play you wont like this game unless you spend a lot of real money and play a lot.

Oh and $30 a pop per outfit (2 outfits costs as much as cyberpunk 2077 or any triple A game, if you can't see how thats a rip off then you must be loaded with money to set on fire) nor can you transfer them between characters. All ingame outfits look the same. Hope you enjoy looking basic or emptying your wallet to make your character look good because they don't provide that for free even when you spend over $1k they do nothing to make the game objectively better for everyone. It's just a cash dump.

Also if you decide not to spend money, i hope you enjoy using the afk bot system. If you don't then you aren't playing the game right and you might as well not play. You should leave BDO and your character always doing something whether you are out, sleeping, or away from keyboard. You should be using the afk bot system, and that thing is terrible and why more than half the players are afk fishing or walking around in circles to level up their stamina or carrying capacity or even lifeskilling.


Enjoy wasting your life and money for an extremely greedy publisher and devs :)

[Deathraven13]

Originally posted by ripyaanew1:

Originally posted by Deathraven13:

It's buy once and pay for cosmetics and convenience.


Answer is we don't know, in most MMO it would be the cash shop user but here unless it's a race to who become pro 1 at cooking first a cash shop user have no advantages in PvP.

That is a flat out lie.

If I was lying you would have came with some proof, so it's clear that you are a troll.

[Deathraven13]

Originally posted by Kestiel:

You could sell outfits for silver, but it is not an smart idea. Most premium outfits cost 30 $ (3000) pearls, and they go at the market place for like 230 million silver which it is not a lot. A tri dandelion weapon cost around 930 million silver. A Tet/Pen weapon goes for Billions. In order to make silver from the cash shop you will need to dish a lot $ just to buy one weapon (Pen/Tet). I am not counting armor and accessories.

So. if you have a lot money ( and I mean a lot) sitting down in your bank account, then yes, you could buy a lot outfits and sell them for silver.

Now, this game does not have the same pay to win options like WoW, Dc Universe, and other games due to the exchange from $ to silver. The amount of $ that you put is way to much to the amount of silver you get in return.

In Wow, you can buy 2/3 gold tokens for 20$ which equals (depending on the server) around 250000 or more gold. 3 or 4 tokens can easily buy you several mythic runs from the top guild getting most of the loot. or you could buy the mythic welfare gear from the auction house.

Most people buy pets (x 5 pets), outfits, value packs, life skilling stuff, and maybe storage space/weight limit.

So if we do the math: Tri weapons which are not the top tier, and can give you maybe 200 AP if lucky. Each weapon will cost you around 930 mill give or take (base price). With 3 weapons 930 mill x 3= 2790 billion silver.

2790 / by 230 million silver = 12 outfits. (Only boss weapons/gear/GOLD...NOT blue/green stuff. After all we are discussing the pay to win concept)

Each outfit cost you around 30$ x 12 = 360 $ just for 3 weapons. So you buy all your gear (tri) and maybe 210 ap. You are still not winning anything as many of the veteran pvp players AP goes around from 270 + AP. In addition, you have no value pack, no pets (farming is useless), and no skills on how to play that character (Assuming you buying everything at level 1 and power level to 56).

Finally, can you buy main weapons, awakening weapons, sub weapons, armor, & accessories with $ ? Yes you can, but it is not a smart idea.

So how is it pay 2 win if you get the same gear a non payer can get ? Pay 2 win means you'll get a PvP advantage over a non payer.

You can't buy weapons with $ since it's players that pay you for it, so selling a costume or potatos in the marketplace means both silvers comes from a player, that mean you can't get full TET gear with IRL money (but go ahead and do it, good luck finding TET gear since a player must sell one no matter how many cash you throw at the pearl shop).

[Kest]

@Deathraven13 No, pay to win means you get advantage over everyone that cannot afford to pay to win. Hence pay to win. If I earn more money than you, then I can afford more than you, which gives me an advantage over you. People change the concept of pay to win according to what they want and that is not right.

For example, Eve online is a game that feeds over pay to win. Large pay checks means more isk. With more isk you I can buy skill points/ships/weapons/modules. Successfully cutting in half or even less the training time of all the abilities. So if I have 10 k $ and you only have 500$ to spend, then who wins?

In addition, you can buy weapons with $ by doing what pay to wins is: you take your paycheck and you buy a tons of outfits with dollars......."this part is tricky"...then you sell those outfit at the marketplace for silver. Meaning, Pearl shop ------>Dollars = outfits.Then, Marketplace ------> outfits (same outfits you got from the pearl shop) = silver. You take that silver, and you buy whatever you want from the marketplace.

My post was an expression that buying outfits or anything at the pearl shop to sell at the marketplace is not a "SMART IDEA", given that the amount of dollars you spend is higher than the silver you get in return. Yet, the game is still pay to win if you decide to go that route "Given that you can afford $ to buy a tons of outfits". Believe or not, some people will go to that extent.

[Daggoth]

That's not Pay To Win, it's basically on the same level as buying silver instead of grinding it.
People who drop cash will get stuff faster than non-payers, but they're not getting any different weapons than free players. You can still buy the top gear from the marketplace and enhance it to max, it just means more hour grinding those grinding spots.

That said there are a couple of actual P2W items in the Pearl shop. Those outfits that let you process from storage, the pets (hedgehog specifically), and outfits with effects. These give you actual benefits that free players can't get.
None effect PVP, and for many people pets are the only thing that'd make you really want to reach for the wallet.
Then there's the value packs, but those are kinda an expected expense if you're really into the game.

[Spectre]

Originally posted by Daggoth:

That said there are a couple of actual P2W items in the Pearl shop. Those outfits that let you process from storage, the pets (hedgehog specifically), and outfits with effects. These give you actual benefits that free players can't get.

........I would like to know which "outfits" you speak of.