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* Servers have been terrible recently. Go make a negative review about this and then change it from negative to positive / or remove, when they fix it. It'd be a legit complaint.
* Pretty bad optimization when plenty of people seem to have horrible FPS with modern gaming PCs.
* Can't synch non-Steam BDO account with Steam (except for the "add non-steam game" part)
* There's a ton of stuff that is left unexplained for new players (Accuracy, Marketplace bidding, Hidden AP, etc)
* I find the PvP to be spamy and non-precision focused. While the combat is combo oriented (which is a positive thing), I do not find it as exciting as the combat in Tera.
That makes no sense. Why would I? I have no interest in doing that.
I felt this review misrepresented BDO and so I gave a response to it. Nothing more, nothing less. I didn't bother to click and read other reviews. This one took up plenty enough of my time.
I wasn't aware that someone was pressuring anyone.
Other than that, I understand that it's not fun to see someone write a negative review of something you like but, he/she said nothing that was false.
It's the only way this game will make money.
I do find out interesting how people who spend $1000 dollars on a P2W game get really, really, mad and defensive when you slap them in the face with facts and reality.
They try to twists the meaning of P2W to suit their agenda while at the same time perfectly explaining why their beloved MMO is P2W.
Look. We know you feel stupid for spending all that cash on powerups, expansions and costumes. We understand and it's okay. These kinds of games are built to prey on innocent people with no impulse control.
Since I said otherwise, and gave counter-examples. Are you calling me a liar?
Would you kindly quote the parts where I then lied, the parts where I am entirely wrong?
I would greatly appreciate it. Otherwise, I'll assume you just don't like my viewpoint and nothing more or less can be gained from your post. No hard feelings.
You also bought several Kama Blessings and a ton of Valks and Black Stones. You're still Level 20 but all your gear are PEN. Compare that to the poor Level 60 guy struggling to even get past TET.
He's quitting the game out of frustration because he's too poor to buy into that Asian mentality of money makes everything better! He doesnt have the money to buy Failstacks! He has a cat with three legs that has cancer! His kids have to stand in the poor kids line during lunch! His wife shaved her hair to sell to a wig company just so he could pay for one pet from the Pearl Shop!
For shame! Shame on you! Shame on all of you!
Okay. ^^
I'm quite interested in how you'll counter the factual features & items I pointed out in OP. They're features & items which contradict and make the reviewers points Null.
Concering the early point where he said that there was no reason for any social interaction or party, guild etc. He later on in his review, towards the end, gave an entirely contradictory statement as a ending statement. Wherein he answered his own point and proved it wrong.
And it goes on and on. But I'll check in later to see if you found anything. o/
I'll go down the list one by one according to how you quoted them in the opening post.
Your counterpoints are all valid, but do not disprove anything since Havoc only spoke fact about the lack of fast-travel. To some people, having no fast-travel could be a deal-breaker for buying the game. I know when my cousin was asking me about the game, he groaned at the thought of no quick ways to get around (too used to WoW's flying mounts). And Traveler's Map might save you 3 minutes of running, max.
For this one he/she did neglect to mention using contribution points. Countering with loyalty points is valid, but I'd argue that the rate that you get them, and the quantity you get from them is so minor that they honestly aren't worth mentioning. I have several storages filled with over 100 items each, which would literally takes years to acquire through loyalty points.
Your counter is to do the inventory quests we all know of, but even that doesn't leave you with a lot of slots (57 at max), and can fill up quickly. You can use loyalty, but that's even worse than storage! 10 days to get a single slot means you'll spend almost 4 years to max out the inventory space of a single character. That is... if you're not already using a year's worth, or more, of loyalty to get one region's storage to a respectable size. Same thing for weight.
Your counter is about the current event, something that might not be happening when others read Havoc's review. You're correct that there will likely be other similar events, but that changes nothing about what Havoc said. Your ending argument is basically "Deal with it", disproving nothing Havoc said.
Your counter is agreeing that it is a business. Several other comments further explain how the game is not P2W in your eyes, and mine, and Havoc's as well. So you're upset that we all agree?
Your counter is that payed items are non-vital. True. But asking why anyone would want to rush? Life is short, and life skills take a long time to improve. To some, progressing is fun, and the faster you do it, the more fun it becomes, especially in a game where there basically is no cap.
Your counter is to use loyalty points. Again, Havoc did neglect to mention loyalty points. You can use those, if you're not using a year's worth on storage, or 4 years worth on inventory.
Your counter is to group up for summon scrolls (endgame content). You can join a guild, but again, they're not needed until endgame. You might get killed for encroaching on farming spots, so you should group up, once again, in endgame. So you both agree that grouping is not needed until endgame.
Your counter is that players unite for world bosses, and synchronizing quests is a pain. Once again, your argument is that you agree.
Your counter is to agree. You say you've had no problem, but everyone's results may vary, right? I know my block list is filling every day with more racist, sexist, mega-meme'rs every day, though; and that's just the ones that make it through my chat filters.
Your counter is to agree.
So in short, the vast majority of what Havoc said is true, with Loyalty points basically being the only thing overlooked. I feel a single private message saying something along the lines of "You forgot to mention loyalty points in some of your criticisms" would have been a more appropriate response instead of calling him/her out in this lengthy post.
Want a value pack? That's 1400 points, or 2 weeks of logging every day, to have a buff that lasts 1 day.
Want inventory slots? 1000 points, or 10 days, for 1 slot. Just one. On only one character.
Sure, it's free stuff, but at a very slow pace, and very minor rewards.
You can sell a maximum of 5 pearl items a WEEK on the marketplace. The maximum is 25 million silver each. (not including the marketplace fees that make it actually less.)
Each costume that sells for 25 million is around $30 USD.
That means you can spend real money ($150 USD) and get 125 million silver a week.
A Kzarka weapon will run you about 1 billion silver. (yes, billion).
Some BIS (best in slot) items will run you over 4 billion silver.
You have Weapon, Awakend Weapon, Offhand, Ring, Ring, Earing, Earing, Belt, Neck, Helm, Chest, Gloves, and Boots. that is 13 items.
That means you need to spend at least 13 billion to get "best" gear in ever slot. (only assuming that each slot cost you 1 billion when in reality its substantially more)
It will take you aproxamatly 104 weeks (2 years) and ~~$15,600 USD to get "best" in slot gear for your character.
Thank you for taking the time to write... this. I'm always looking for feedback on my reviews in order to improve how I write them, but I guess today's not my lucky day.
You keep spamming your link in the comments section of my review so congratz, you got my attention.
Honestly I wasn't even sure if a reply is necessary, there's no reason to defend my review, it's pretty flawless, and Suzaku seems to have done most of the heavy lifting for me.
On that note...
Hi Suzaku!
Thanks for understanding my review and explaining it here, I was sure I had written it in a comprehensive manner, so seeing you lay out my points so clearly was very reassuring.
I've never gotten to read my own nickname in one post that many times. It was great!
It is true that I had entirely neglected to mention the Loyalty system in my review, I was a bit under 2 weeks into the game by that time, so I didn't really have a lot of loyalty to pass around.
I did however purchase pearls, and according to the description of loyalty points, they should be earned by using the pearl shop and special ingame things. My pearl purchases did nothing to bolster my Loyalty account, and earning them at a rate of 100 points per day makes them almost completely negligible.
Kitts, 90% of your counter-argument boiled down to being able offset my cons for the game with the Loyalty points, while I will admit, it's a nifty daily reward system where you can pick your own rewards, the human lifespan is generally limited. Let me give you an example:
Say you want to get all the Weight Limit Expansions with Loyalties. That's 14000.
Next you want maybe 16 Inventory Slots, that's about as much as the Value Pack gives you, so let's make it 32, since you can also get twice as much Weight as the Value Pack grants you through loyalty. That's 32000.
Maybe you want two more Character Slots, that's 40000.
Finally let's get 16 storage slots for each region, that's actually the cheapest endeavor, at only 10000.
That comes out at 96000 Loyalty which is 2.6 years.
And that's not counting your suggestion of getting the 1-Day Value Pack to change appearance, and I can imagine that you might want to rework your build at some point in those two years, which is 2000 loyalty or cash dolla.
I negleted the Loyalty system in my review because while it's nice that it exists, it's basically the equivalent of your cocaine dealer giving you one gram extra every 5 times you "visit" him. And as a new player you will get absolutely nothing out of it for a good long while.
Loyalty prices do not correlate 1:1 to the Pearl prices, but the average I was able to calculate comes out to 100 Loyalty equaling ~16 cents.
If anything you, Kitts, wrote was actually a valid counter-argument to any point I made in the review, it would mean that the company running BDO wasn't doing a very good job. As a company their goal is to maximize their profit, so they try to squeeze every last cent out of the so called "Whales" and "Dolphins", without upsetting the bottom-feeders, who don't spend real money on the game, too much. A company like this is the devil, so there's no point in demonizing them any further, I don't hold a grudge against them for being greedy and designing their game to be as profitable as possible, but I feel that anyone who considers getting into the game should be well-informed. Gaming addiction is a real disease, and MMOs are designed to get you addicted.
BDO does a lot of great things, but also a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ things with the majority of them being obvious to be designed around the cash shop (pets, inventory weight, inventory slots and more). Heck even if you want to go past 56 you probably want all the XP boost you can get, luckily even the overexpensive costumes are actually coming with stats - including XP boosts, then a value pack because what would be a wantotobe subscription without even more game affecting bonuses?
You're probably the type of guy who shuts down people calling it P2W because there's obviously no "winning" in BDO.
It is people like you that lead the gaming and especially the MMO market to become the abomination it is today.