Black Desert

Black Desert

The Wall 2017 年 5 月 27 日 上午 10:53
Is it p2w?
So thought about getting into BDO cuz it's on steam now and only 6€, sound awesome and stuff. But my biggest fear is that once I got into the game, it turns out that this game is p2w.
So to avoid that I rather ask here first.

Long story short, is it p2w?
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Ex Azaleane 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 12:10 
引用自 Phillip J. Fry
引用自 DFUZE-
It speeds up your progress, yes.
It's not pay2win.

Progress is everything in this game when you are playing to be competitive. Therefore, faster progress is winning
If you look at it like that, being able to play more often than someone else is winning too.
Nothson 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 12:16 
引用自 DFUZE-
引用自 Phillip J. Fry

Progress is everything in this game when you are playing to be competitive. Therefore, faster progress is winning
If you look at it like that, being able to play more often than someone else is winning too.

That is how it should be. You want to accell at somethinga nd be the best you put the time in. You don't see a race teams getting special upgrades to cars just because they cvan pay more.

Now if the money spending was relegated to catch up and not acting as a time multiplier where the more time you put in the more the money you spend benefits you, then I would be right there with you saying there is no P2W here.
Ex Azaleane 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 12:20 
We simply have different ideas of what P2W means. Probably the age difference.

To me, Pay2Win is where you pay real money to buy stuff from cash shops that enhance your character stat-wise, make you stronger in ways you could NEVER achieve without paying real money.

Blackdesert does not provide such things in their Cash Shop. Sure, you'll progress faster, but you won't be enhancing your characters to a point that is unachievable for non-paying players.
Nothson 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 12:27 
引用自 DFUZE-
We simply have different ideas of what P2W means. Probably the age difference.

To me, Pay2Win is where you pay real money to buy stuff from cash shops that enhance your character stat-wise, make you stronger in ways you could NEVER achieve without paying real money.

Blackdesert does not provide such things in their Cash Shop. Sure, you'll progress faster, but you won't be enhancing your characters to a point that is unachievable for non-paying players.

Maybe, spent time playing these games since UO and I've noticed P2W definition varies from game to game. Some games do one thing and it isn't pay2win, while another games does the same and it is pay2win. The differences come down to games design and advanatges granted within that design, and yes that includes simply making things faster.

Actually at current rates for things like enchanting, certain things very well could be unachievable in realistic timeframes (barring extreme luck) for those that do not pay, such as PEN gear.
Corona Scurrae 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 12:30 
the thing is that this game is "Borderline-p2w". the noob way of making money in game is to sell cash shop items for silver. however thats limited. if your pocket has no end in sight you could buy boss weapons with pearls. enhance them and resell them for huge amount of silver.
then there is the rank 1 houses and investment banks which can bring you up to 400M per month just by throwing real money at your screen.
however having huge amount of silver doesnt ensure you to get op. sure you get to try it more often but my god the rng system in this game is so heavy that i would suggest anyone to ignore it and snipe boss gear and weapons when they appear on the market place.
then again the probability of boss weapons appearing on mp is low...
Stephen 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 1:16 
引用自 DFUZE-
We simply have different ideas of what P2W means. Probably the age difference.

To me, Pay2Win is where you pay real money to buy stuff from cash shops that enhance your character stat-wise, make you stronger in ways you could NEVER achieve without paying real money.

Blackdesert does not provide such things in their Cash Shop. Sure, you'll progress faster, but you won't be enhancing your characters to a point that is unachievable for non-paying players.
Yeah, I guess the younger generation are more used to what it's like today.

I'm sure smart people who have been playing MMO's since Ultima / EQ1 / SWG / Wow Vanilla days would realize this game is extremely pay to win. I've been in a number of top guilds in BDO since release and no one has denied that this game is pay to win.

Progress in Black Desert online is EVERYTHING. Go and get full PEN without purchasing artisan memories. :) It's pretty much impossible since the game would be closed before you're done.

Progressing faster in MMO's is pay to win since you'll always be ahead of everyone else, especially in a game like this. There is no way a non paying user can catch up to someone who spends $1k+ a month on cash shop items. If you're ahead in gear, you will always win.

PS: Most of the top players in EU have spent thousands on this game. They are gods in PVP because they're gear carried. Not sure about NA, but it will probably be the same.
最后由 Stephen 编辑于; 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 1:18
Renko 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 2:53 
Exrotz is 100 % right. You have to understand how BDO Work to realise how P2W the game is... It's a simple equation : With Real Money you can buy stuff to sell on auction for gold and with gold you can buy PEN / TET gear who simply destroy "noobs" with DUO-TRI.
Kunovega 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 2:55 
引用自 DFUZE-
引用自 Exrotz
Not even close? It's pretty close. :D

1 Artisan Memory saves you 1.5 mil. Quickest way to get TET / PEN items.
It speeds up your progress, yes.
It's not pay2win.

Progress is winning

Faster progress is paying to win

It's the very definition of pay to win

Stupid defensive fanbois trying to lie and trick more people into playing this already out dated stupid game
Caduryn 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:04 
引用自 Renko
with gold you can buy PEN / TET gear

Good luck with that. :steammocking:

引用自 Kunovega
引用自 DFUZE-
It speeds up your progress, yes.
It's not pay2win.

Progress is winning

Faster progress is paying to win

It's the very definition of pay to win

Stupid defensive fanbois trying to lie and trick more people into playing this already out dated stupid game
You have absolutly no idea what P2W is.
最后由 Caduryn 编辑于; 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:05
Kunovega 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:16 
引用自 caduryn
引用自 Renko
with gold you can buy PEN / TET gear

Good luck with that. :steammocking:

引用自 Kunovega

Progress is winning

Faster progress is paying to win

It's the very definition of pay to win

Stupid defensive fanbois trying to lie and trick more people into playing this already out dated stupid game
You have absolutly no idea what P2W is.

Pay To Win AKA P2W. when you are paying for advantage which normal players don't have access to unless they either pay too or will have to grind very long (weeks and months).

I have played this stupid game, long before it was on steam. It has p2w garbage you can buy for cash

http://www.pcgamer.com/black-desert-online-players-protest-pay-to-win-changes-with-in-game-picket-signs/

http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/123324-trying-to-play-this-game-again-is-it-pay-to-win-now-what-changed/


if u dont pay weekly and sell those costume then u can never be the best becus there will alway be ppl who spend just as much time in game and selling those costumes on top.

It may be your opinion that the pay2win aspects of BDO are not as extreme as in some others, but the reality is it's there. lurking under the surface

Faster advancement, faster money gain, these translate to late game advantages and pvp advantages, and paying real money gets you there faster and with a bigger wallet

https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/5coqed/how_is_pay_to_win_affecting_the_game/

And don't even get me started on how the bosses work with potion spam

It's you that needs to learn what p2w means
最后由 Kunovega 编辑于; 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:18
Sakul 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:31 
The shop is cosmetic only
Stephen 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:34 
引用自 Turnschuhmann
The shop is cosmetic only
Wrong. Artisan Memories save you 1.5 mil each. $200 = 750 Mil.
Nothson 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:36 
引用自 Turnschuhmann
The shop is cosmetic only

If the shop was cosmetic only, the costumes wouldn't have bonuses, pet would just stand around and look cute with no bonuses, artisan memories, inventory slots and weight, maid, elyon's tears, brands, horse whistles, black essences, stables and lodging would not be in teh shop.
neoVictrix 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 4:00 
For those calling the game "Pay-to-Win", I'm interested in seeing what you consider convenience then.
Mora 2017 年 5 月 27 日 下午 4:03 
Is not at all , the store items are cosmetics mosly nothing that affect game. .
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