Raze

[GabyTP]

He sure has issues. Oh my God. I can't stop laughing at the ending of chapter 4. My Snake!Bright is all "Can we stop the drama? I DO want to be yours" And Raze "YOU CUNNING LITTLE DEMONHEART HOW DARE YOU DECEIVE ME IN THIS WAY"

Poor evil Bright. She just wants her demonspawn to accept her love.

I hope by the end of chapter 5 we can get Raze to trust Bright. The poor girl is thirsty af.

[Smoky]

Love Raze so much, and I really don't want to remember Orchid as a murderous psychopath

[WhimziCool]

I play Bright as a saint who has never really lied (maybe one or two) and Raze still thinks she's trying to decieve him even though she's been open, honest, and doesn't really reject his advances.

[Milsindra]

I somehow liked Raze's reaction more with Saint!Bright and Brash romance... He sounds like he wants to force her to love him and he's kinda sweet in his own twisted way. Very twisted. xD

But now it's clear that he's hiding something and given his fixation with the two witches who tortured a demonspawn in El'shei I'm afraid that that theory that popped up some time ago might have hit the mark. So his trust issues with Bright would be there because he just doesn't believe she trusts him so completely when he's lying about his identity, and he's afraid she'll leave him once she finds out the truth.

In any case he can be as evil as he likes for my Bright... He'd still dissect any other human instead of her and that's a declaration of love if I've ever seen one lol

[Dolingen]

I was not expecting that!

[Milsindra]

Originally posted by DalishSithSniper:

I was actually thinking back on that theory after I finished the new chapter and how it totally has merit now imo. Before it was like "nah, that's reading too much into it. It's totally Raze." But now, with his weird behaviour and comments and Ari remarking that he seems suspicious, I'm starting to wonder!

Like, if he is actually Dorius, what happened to the "real" Raze then? Is he actually still a child, lost and being tortured somewhere in Inferno and that's why Bright keeps dreaming about him? What if pseudo-Raze is/was the one torturing him ("the shadow") and that's how he found out all that stuff about Orchid and Bright and how he got the amulet and letters? Something about that ((paraphrasing)) "you're not allowed to betray me even when you find out about that other thing." comment when he reveals he hid Bright's heart)?

He does call himself a master liar and manipulator. His comments about not remembering the symbols from the dream in chapter 3 always struck me as a bit strange. What if he was lying when he said those symbols led to a random fiery pool in Inferno and they're actually co-ordinates to where the real Raze is and he's trying to gaslight Bright into believing they aren't important so that she doesn't find him?

Urgh, if that theory is correct this is going to be so interesting. So many questions and conspiracies and potential for drama! Bring on chapter 5!

That would also explain why he seems to hate it when Bright says the name "Dorius". He justifies it by saying that demonspawn hate each other, but I remember some bit saying that Dorius in particular started hating on his name because it reminded him of how he'd been tortured. He also interrogates both Bright and Ari about that book, again using the excuse that he doesn't want humans to have a manual on how to torture his kind, but probably the truth is that the book contains useful hints on how a demonspawn grows up.
Besides I think he's jealous of the real Raze since he had a mother who loved him instead of a kidnapped peasant girl sacrificed by two witches. He's also afraid that Bright will abandon him once she discovers the truth. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I think he tried to replace the real Raze so he could have someone who could at least try to love him unconditionally, since he never knew love.

The more we go on the more that theory seems to be legit lol

Oooh the plot thickens!

[GabyTP]

It makes a lot of sense! If Raze is Dorius, that would explain why he's so SURE that Bright will abandon him. Because the demon that needs her, the demon promised to her, the demonspawn who was given a human girl by his mother... is not him. There is some other demonspawn out there, destined for Bright. The real Raze. He hates the name Dorius and adores Raze because he wants to steal that identity. And steal Bright. That's why he's so insistent that she's HIS. Because, in reality, she isn't. And it's irrelevant what Bright thinks she feels about Raze right now. "Dorius" is sure that she will abandon him and go with the demonspawn she really belongs to: the real Raze.

[zara2148]

I kind of enjoyed watching Raze go pretty much full yandere in the ending. At least his betrayal is ostensibly beneficial for me, unlike every other character's.

I also like VN's that try to subvert the traditional tactic of just "saying what this character wants to hear." Being nice to him as Saint!Bright while still denying any of his suggestions on what to do got him ranting about how I always seemed so happy to hear from him and while I needed better lying skills, I wasn't to practice on him. My Evil!Bright, who has no such moral compunctions and said everything she'd thought he want to hear, got a bit about how she needed to downplay her lies.

And yeah, I'm pretty convinced now that this 'Raze' isn't Orchid's son, and the real Orchid's son is locked up by 'Raze.' Too many odd little things add up to that now, such as bits of Raze's dialogue in how he's coming to respect Orchid and what she tried to do. Heck, even the Steam store page supports this , as Brash and Ari are identified by name in the description yet 'Raze'... isn't. Just something along the lines of "infernal patron" or "???" beneath his character portrait.

I suspect that getting so close to Bright wasn't part of his plan, and it was probably just meant as a jealous demonspawn's way of torturing Orchid's son. Kind of a "Haha, removing your only hope of an outside ally." But then 'Raze' DID get attached, so now we have him holding her heart hostage so she can't leave once she finds out.

[GabyTP]

However, I'm still a Brash girl. Saint!Bright and Brash, man... so many good moments. "I always wanted a good girl..." "No! You're killing me." (When Bright confesses her love) Oh boy... ALSO he's so freaking jealous, omfg. When he killed Jasper I actually laughed. Like... Brash, my boy... what a drama queen.

I like Raze, he's funny and watching him get upset when you refuse to kill every living thing is really amusing... but, Brash. Those soft moments, man... THE SHIRT. Also, his scene with Bright in the tower... so hot. SO. HOT.

Raze is always telling Bright to calm down. Man, my girl is thirsty. It's funny how it's the other way around with the two men. With Brash he's always taking every single opportunity for innuendos and he gets really jealous... with Raze is Bright the one trying to seduce him and getting jealous lol

[Juniperbell]

Wait, so Bright's alignment affect dialogue?

[Juniperbell]

I hope releasing Brash will somehow make him appear later on in chapter 5, or maybe Bright could actually save his heart before Rivera eats it.

[Meira]

Originally posted by Myst:

Wait, so Bright's alignment affect dialogue?

Yes, it does. I made an evil route to romance Raze, which I failed miserable because I am full for Brash. I did kill Mark, and in the love confession on chapter 4, what he said was "my beautiful little murderer, I would have cover for all of your crimes". So yeah, it does affect.

[GabyTP]

Originally posted by Myst:

I hope releasing Brash will somehow make him appear later on in chapter 5, or maybe Bright could actually save his heart before Rivera eats it.

For sure! Bright gets that option "I can't make any promises when it comes to Brash/Brash's heart" so I think we will get the chance to get his heart and either keep it and enslave him, eat it and become more powerful, simply destroy it, or give it back to him.

Brash is the man. He loves you whether you are a murderous biach or a innocent and nice girl who wouldn't kill a fly. Raze may like you being good, but... meh, he's clearly annoyed by Bright's goodness. Evil!Bright and Raze all the way.

[zara2148]

I'm an unabashed Raze fangirl, because I'm weak for a voice that's sarcastic and sinister BUT also nice to listen to. Saying that to be a literal devil's advocate.

Poor Raze, the number of people in a thread named after him confessing they like Brash better.

I mean, he's probably lying about darn near everything and is torturing the real Raze out of jealousy. But still, that's cold. /s

[GabyTP]

Originally posted by zara2148:

Poor Raze, the number of people in a thread named after him confessing they like Brash better.

But have you heard Brash's voice?! I don't know who's the voice actor, but his voice makes me weak. "Here, kitty, kitty..." And I was sold for life.

[WhimziCool]

Originally posted by GabyTP:

Originally posted by zara2148:

Poor Raze, the number of people in a thread named after him confessing they like Brash better.

What have you heard Brash's voice?! I don't know who's the voice actor, but his voice makes me weak. "Here, kitty, kitty..." And I was sold for life.

Spoilers! I don’t know how to hide text, so beware of spoilers!

I like Raze better than Brash who always put me on edge. Raze maybe a liar and a manipulator, but at least he talks and listens to Bright—until the end of chapter 4 when he steals her heart. He may not understand good!Bright or like her actions, but he does let her do what she wants most the time (not that he’ll help her). One commentor mentioned Raze seemed annoyed by good Bright and that may be true, but I think the reason for that is because everyone has been kicking Bright around from day 1 and he wants her to kick back. Think about it; Orcid lied to her and practically condemned her, Mark—her fiancee—left her to rot in a cell, her whole village sentenced her to death when she did nothing wrong, she’s been manipulated by her Lord, Fisher tried to kill her, and Brash has made several advances on her and eventually betrayed her to a witch who literally tore out her heart. In his eyes her goodness hasn’t done anything but make her easy to use and has placed her in countless danger. In a way, I think he’s worried about her.