Dollhouse Plot Holes

[Bill Buck]

I know The Dollhouse has been out since October, so it's kind of late to be talking about this, but there are some parts of The Dollhouse's story that bother me because they contradict certain information literally given in the base game, namely the "Hellgate" and the origins of the Specimens.

See, The Dollhouse seems to suggest that the Specimens you've seen throughout the game were summoned straight from some kind of "hell" by Spooky's dad, but CAT-DOS from the base game has already established that at least some of the Specimens (including Specimens 4, 6, and 11, 3 of the 4 Specimens from the "Hellgate" sequence) were found in various places across the world by GL Labs, not summoned.

Specimen 8 seems to be a unique but similar case, in the base game, it's implied that while they weren't directly found and relocated to the house, their children were, causing them to eventually appear in the house. This makes sense to me, after all, how do you contain a God? I found it really lame to see Specimen 8 get trapped in some crystal in who knows where in this Dollhouse DLC.

Another thing that's a little more minor but still sticks out to me as it doesn't really make sense is the state of Spooky's dad's body, realistically Spooky's dad would've been dead for decades, right? And yet his body looks (at least relatively) fresh. There's literally a dude in the base game who left notes strewn about the house, and you eventually find his body and it's a skeleton. Now, this could just be me, but given the information provided by the game, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume the death of this person who left notes is supposed to take place after the death of Spooky's dad.

Then there's the ending. Why does trapping only 1 of the 23 to 24 different Specimens in a hell-crystal-thingy mean the difference between the house blowing up and all of them being left free to roam the world, and the house not blowing up and the remaining Specimens being permanently contained?

Overall, this DLC doesn't feel true to the rest of the game or its world and story in my opinion, is the story told by Karamari Hospital and The Dollhouse considered canon?

[DamageMaximo]

it's still fun, scary and I welcome all the DLCs with open arms!

[Bill Buck]

I have to give you credit for trying to give explanations, but regardless of whether or not your theories are correct, I'm still disappointed by Dollhouse's story, it just doesn't feel right to me.

I mainly dislike the"Hellgate" stuff, it feels very out of nowhere and tacked on, it's just a little too bizarre for me, even for a game that's already had plenty of out of nowhere and bizarre moments.

It's like the game itself was out of character in this DLC, it just felt off in my opinion.

[Lizardtree]

Well, I also have some troubles with Dollhouse's plot. I pretty much enjoyed the DLC itself, but the story made me feel sick for months.

At least, I think I can say that Specimens really were collected from all around the world by a Modern Group of GL Labs controlled by Spooky. Hovewer the ghosts trapped in dolls have been transported here through a Hellgate (Which may not be the portal to Biblical Hell, but something like hellish other dimension), and this hellmachine can lure a powerful entity from nearby, which we do, and then lure them into this dimension. But because this entity is not suited for the dimension and for the machine itslef, it overloads and shuts it down by breaking it. With that, no more of the hellish spirits will go into a human world after the collapsing of the mansion. But other specimens surely will remain here and probably go to the original places.

About Spooky's father in the room is not much of problem to me. I can just blame a paranormal things happen for this. Besides, he is long dead and invisible to us when we first get here, but then he appears so we could see where he died. Much more of a story problem to me, is how did Spooky's dad was walking through the city during halloween shooting everything in sight without being busted by police? How did he even crawled out of his house, while being THIS drunk? And how such young man could be a PTSR sufferer who had been at war, while still being a Boss of the Secret Corporation which studies ghosts?

[AsterVrisk]

Originally posted by Spook Lad:

One of the other beings that escaped the hellgate was Bayagototh

Cmon get your Baya lore right man, Bayagototh transcends canon it doesn't need a hellgate.

[AsterVrisk]

Originally posted by Spook Lad:

Originally posted by AsterVrisk:

Cmon get your Baya lore right man, Bayagototh transcends canon it doesn't need a hellgate.

Perhaps

nah man this is like, common Bayagototh knowledge.
Like Yeah if Baya was just in LiV and Spookys we could make the assumption it came from the Hellgate
but Baya/it's children are in LiV, Spookys, Uktena64, Midnight mode, The lost tapes, and Mersus Tapes

While there is no doubt 8 came from the hellgate
Baya wouldn't be caught dead using such a weak form of transportation

[Bill Buck]

Not to get off topic from the point I'm trying to make, but on the topic of Bayagototh, I've always assumed that Bayagototh is a "greater" deity than Specimen 8, but they're still both deities, some ancient religions work that way (e.g. Zeus/Jupiter and his children), so maybe Bayagototh is the "head" God, while 8 is a God/Goddess of specifically animals, deer, or forests. (Though Bayagototh is a frequently represented as a tree, so maybe he's a forest deity as well)

[AsterVrisk]

Originally posted by Bill Buck:

Not to get off topic from the point I'm trying to make, but on the topic of Bayagototh, I've always assumed that Bayagototh is a "greater" deity than Specimen 8, but they're still both deities, some ancient religions work that way (e.g. Zeus/Jupiter and his children), so maybe Bayagototh is the "head" God, while 8 is a God/Goddess of specifically animals, deer, or forests. (Though Bayagototh is a frequently represented as a tree, so maybe he's a forest deity as well)

specimen 8 is one of many children of BAYAGOTOTH

[Lizardtree]

Originally posted by Spook Lad:

Originally posted by Lizardtree:

Well, I also have some troubles with Dollhouse's plot. I pretty much enjoyed the DLC itself, but the story made me feel sick for months

I don't get exactly what you're saying here, but I'll try to explain. The specimens do not remain after the hellgate is shut. Spoilers for the good ending, it says "And with the hellgate shut, the terrors that seeped through began to fade away". I also don't think Spooky's dad is really dead , he was trapped in a nightmare because of that weird box. He also wasn't just going around shooting things, he only shot Spooky in his own house, and he wasn't drunk either. He likely got a job working for a science company, which at the time wasn't studying ghosts, nor was it secret. They only started studying the paranormal after Spooky was shot. Hope that clears things up a little.

Well, if it is really like this, then Dollhouse plot is just as bad as I thought it to be.

Spooky being involved into a murder of a countless people just for creating a Ghost Army, all of the GL Labs stuff died because of her ignoring the need of few more drugs for Specimen 3, and she even lured a novice GL Lab assistant into an Old GL Labs location so he could get killed by Specimen 10 just for fun. But after all that, after the mansion collapses, Spooky goes to the heaven instead of hell. Or she is considered innocent just because she didn't killed anyone during her life? And her Father killed her, his own daughter, and also ascended to heaven. How is that possible?

And yeah, Specimens were clearly to have been collected through all around the world as already been said in Cat-Dos, not summoned right into the mansion.

The only explanation to this is that Developers forgot everything about the story and made quick story for the final dlc, just so they could finally say THE END. They even forgot, that Spooky's Jump Scare Mansion never had a Serious Plot. But in DLCs they not just made everything serious, but also tried to make the plot Drammatic. Which wasn't originally the case and that's why it failed.

After the story turns serious - lots of questions begin to rise, like:
- How come player managed to survive all of the House's problems and not being dead from starvation or dehydration?
- Why the Elevator collapsed on Room 995?
- How did protagonist survived the elevator falling from a height of thousand rooms?
- How is Karamari Hospital even connected to the plot?
- Who is Demon Child?
And many more...

[AsterVrisk]

Originally posted by Lizardtree:

Originally posted by Spook Lad:

After the story turns serious - lots of questions begin to rise, like:
- How come player managed to survive all of the House's problems and not being dead from starvation or dehydration?
- Why the Elevator collapsed on Room 995?
- How did protagonist survived the elevator falling from a height of thousand rooms?
- How is Karamari Hospital even connected to the plot?
- Who is Demon Child?
And many more...

you guys are taking this game too seriously
why the elevator crashed and player surviving aren't important
karamari hospital is just another room

[Lizardtree]

Originally posted by AsterVrisk:

Originally posted by Lizardtree:

you guys are taking this game too seriously
why the elevator crashed and player surviving aren't important
karamari hospital is just another room

The game turned Serious for sure after the release of Dollhouse. So all of these problems are very important now

[AsterVrisk]

Originally posted by Lizardtree:

Originally posted by AsterVrisk:

The game turned Serious for sure after the release of Dollhouse. So all of these problems are very important now

The game even in Dollhouse is still semi not serious
Yes there's a serious story. Most of what you listed doesn't mater to that story.
The protagonist not starving or dying of thirst, or dying from a long fall does not change any part of the story.
These just are things that don't matter at all
And then the stuff with the hellgate, and Karamari Hospital/demon child importance
I think it's better for these things to be up for interpretation, allow people to theorize.
An answer isn't genuinely needed, and there's enough stuff implied.

[Lizardtree]

Originally posted by AsterVrisk:

Originally posted by Lizardtree:

The game even in Dollhouse is still semi not serious
Yes there's a serious story. Most of what you listed doesn't mater to that story.
The protagonist not starving or dying of thirst, or dying from a long fall does not change any part of the story.
These just are things that don't matter at all
And then the stuff with the hellgate, and Karamari Hospital/demon child importance
I think it's better for these things to be up for interpretation, allow people to theorize.
An answer isn't genuinely needed, and there's enough stuff implied.

Perhaps I would listened to your vague reply, if only you were a developer of this mess of a story.

There are more problems other than that I mentioned. Why Spooky's Father even shot his daughter in the first place? In the original game, in Spooky's hidden backstory, we are finding out that she was shot from a handgun by a man who overreacted to her spooking him and that she is not mad at him, since he took her seriously. In Karamari Hospital it was said, that this man was a ptsr sufferer and that he overreacted to her fireworks explotions. And also in Karamari Hospital, in Father's notes he says: I tried to hate the man who took you from us, but in the end, the only person I can hate is myself. Now we know it was him who shot her which makes it weird. So he basically says: I tried to hate myself, but in the end I can only hate myself.

Also, there is no explanation to Why Spooky speaks about her father who shot her, as if she doesn't actually know that the man shooting her is her father. And in Dollhouse her dad confesses that he wanted to bring her back just so he could tell her the truth, as if Spooky doesn't already knows it was him who shot her. He placed his rifle next to a random person AFTER HER DEATH. Imagine two persons, one in Red clothes and the other one in Yellow. The red one picks up a gun and shoots you, but while you are still conscious while dying, he gives a gun to a yellow person and tells you that it was him who shot you. Are you actually going to believe him?

[AsterVrisk]

Originally posted by Lizardtree:

Originally posted by AsterVrisk:

There are more problems other than that I mentioned. Why Spooky's Father even shot his daughter in the first place? In the original game, in Spooky's hidden backstory,

You're kidding right???
Spookys Father has PTSD, was obviously drunk at the time, and spooky scared him with a fire cracker.

The PTSD and Fire cracker stuff are both stated in game. The drunk part is obvious due to the the empty bottles scattered across the house.

And lets just make the assumption that she doesn't remember her death, because that's a common trope.