What language are Ostruppen speaking?

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

I read that the 3 Ostruppen Battalions shown in game are all Ukranians. I can't regonize their language in game are they Speaking Ukranian or Russian?

[[EUG] MadMat]

Osttruppen are mostly Russians.
Ukrainians, Georgians, ... and other non-Russian Soviet nationalities were usually referred to as Ostlegionen.

Ingame, our Osttruppen are speaking Russian.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Osttruppen are mostly Russians.
Ukrainians, Georgians, ... and other non-Russian Soviet nationalities were usually referred to as Ostlegionen.

Ingame, our Osttruppen are speaking Russian.

I thought it was like. Ostlegiones were stuff like the ROA. command formations made up of specific ethnic groups. Where the Ost-Battalions were intergrated into German Infantry Regiments and made up of a single ethnic group and their officers were all German.

Anyway what i read was that the 439. 441. and 642. ostbattalions that the 352. and 716. have were all Ukranians.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Osttruppen are mostly Russians.
Ukrainians, Georgians, ... and other non-Russian Soviet nationalities were usually referred to as Ostlegionen.

Ingame, our Osttruppen are speaking Russian.

Also did ROA actually use the Mosin Nagant and DP-28 in France? I thought they were equipped with German arms and considering there were over 100,000,000 Mauser rifles produced i don't think the Nazis ran low enough to use other designs. Or maybe someone just decided to put in content from the new steel division?

Still it'd be cool to see a zb.30 machine gun for the Nazis.

[Chief Berto]

Teen Inc.- You're both right. Osttruppen were battalions attached to larger organic units. They were mostly Russians, Ukrainians, ect. They were conscripts or former POWs. I don't think it was quite standardized to a battalion ALL being Ukrainians, there is the famous story of the Korean men that surrendered to the Americans on DDAY, but you'd imagine you'd want it pretty close.

Ostlegion were usually non-Russians. They were a higher class of soldier simply because they were mostly "volunteers" (kinda a weird way to put it). By that I mean they were usually people that had some common interest, common enemy, or sympathy for the Nazis. ROA would probably be considered ostlegion because altho Russian they were active volunteers to fight.

I think some might look at ROA as more than Ostlegion simply because of their size. Can't recall and would have to do some reading.

As far as weapons go, you'd imagine that the Germans would have had a huge number of captured Soviet firearms, who better to arm with those weapons than the anti-commy Russians. While they were probably armed with mostly german weapons I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least some Russian firearms in ROA units. And for gameplay it definetly adds flavor.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by Chief Berto:

Teen Inc.- You're both right. Osttruppen were battalions attached to larger organic units. They were mostly Russians, Ukrainians, ect. They were conscripts or former POWs. I don't think it was quite standardized to a battalion ALL being Ukrainians, there is the famous story of the Korean men that surrendered to the Americans on DDAY, but you'd imagine you'd want it pretty close.

Ostlegion were usually non-Russians. They were a higher class of soldier simply because they were mostly "volunteers" (kinda a weird way to put it). By that I mean they were usually people that had some common interest, common enemy, or sympathy for the Nazis. ROA would probably be considered ostlegion because altho Russian they were active volunteers to fight.

I think some might look at ROA as more than Ostlegion simply because of their size. Can't recall and would have to do some reading.

As far as weapons go, you'd imagine that the Germans would have had a huge number of captured Soviet firearms, who better to arm with those weapons than the anti-commy Russians. While they were probably armed with mostly german weapons I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least some Russian firearms in ROA units. And for gameplay it definetly adds flavor.

That was on Utah beach where they found the Korean guy according to legend. I don't think that was covered by ostruppen at all since it was the 91. luftlande which didn't have ostruppen units.

AFAIK Ostruppen were collaberators in a "do this or die" sense cause they'd be starved if they didn't join the Nazis. Anyway what i read was that ostlegions like the ROA were training and recruitment units but there units were organized into ostbattalions which were intergrated into German divisions.

Also while the Nazis did use a lot of stolen equipment it was either when they didn't have their own gear or when the design was better than what they had. Mosin Nagants and DP machine guns didn't have any real advantage ove standard German gear. the PPSh is true to life though as the Nazis used a lot of SMG designs. people don't realize the MP40 was considered substandard and economical.

[Chief Berto]

Poor Korean dude, literally fighting/surrendering himself to the other side of the world. No bueno, nothing nice.

[CheeseMerchant]

Most of the osttruppen never served combat roles and were used behind the lines to guard supply lines and help with logistics. German experience with ostruppen showed them to be really unreliable and it was common for them to switch sides when things were turning bad for the Germans. the only eastern volunteer units which were reliable were those placed under the command of the waffen SS. like the 20th SS division also known as the 1st estonian. which fought very fanaticly during the battle of tannenberg line. also the 14tth SS grenadier division consisted for the most part out of ukrainians. and showed its worth by managing to break out of the encirclement near brody in july 1944.

both of those SS divisions i just mentioned are still celebrated today in their countries. not because they were fighting for the Nazi's. but because of their fight against Communism. it also has been proven that the overwhelming majority of the men inside those divisions were volunteers. unlike what so called "soviet"sources claim

Originally posted by Chief Berto:

Poor Korean dude, literally fighting/surrendering himself to the other side of the world. No bueno, nothing nice.

A movie has been made about the story of those korean soldiers. it is called My Way. i highly recommend you to watch it if you have not already.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by Weaponized Autism:

Most of the osttruppen never served combat roles and were used behind the lines to guard supply lines and help with logistics. German experience with ostruppen showed them to be really unreliable and it was common for them to switch sides when things were turning bad for the Germans. the only eastern volunteer units which were reliable were those placed under the command of the waffen SS. like the 20th SS division also known as the 1st estonian. which fought very fanaticly during the battle of tannenberg line. also the 14tth SS grenadier division consisted for the most part out of ukrainians. and showed its worth by managing to break out of the encirclement near brody in july 1944.

both of those SS divisions i just mentioned are still celebrated today in their countries. not because they were fighting for the Nazi's. but because of their fight against Communism. it also has been proven that the overwhelming majority of the men inside those divisions were volunteers. unlike what so called "soviet"sources claim

Originally posted by Chief Berto:

Poor Korean dude, literally fighting/surrendering himself to the other side of the world. No bueno, nothing nice.

A movie has been made about the story of those korean soldiers. it is called My Way. i highly recommend you to watch it if you have not already.

Yes we all know about how Eastern European nationalists are cucks who sided with Nazis who explicitly wanted to exterminate them and resettle their land with Germans.

Anyway the Nazis didn't have reserves they just pushed up everyone to the frontlines. that's what most of these units are at best trained to the standards of the Nazis but at worse not really trained at all like ersatztruppen.

[Chief Berto]

Wow haha

[[EUG]Papa Yankee]

@Weaponized Austism, @Maschinengewehr, you're way off-topic. If you want to have this kind of arguments, please do it in private.