Steel Division: Normandy 44

Steel Division: Normandy 44

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Is the Ju-87 historically accurate.
To my knowledge all of the Ju-87s were kept as far away from western allied airpower as possible because of how exposed they were to allied fighters. So they exclusively used them on the eastern front and in places like finland or Yugoslavia. And that on the western front they mostly just used FW-190s and BF-109s instead.
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Daddy Nov 6, 2017 @ 11:06pm 
Yes, Ju 87s were not used on the Western front after the Battle of Britain. I'm not sure why Eugen chose to include them.

The same also goes for the Hs 129. A damaged Hs 129 (likely a B-2) was captured at Carpiquet.
However, it belonged to a unit that was training at Capriquet, but relocated to the Eastern front prior to Normandy.
Protoss| Nov 6, 2017 @ 11:08pm 
There was nearly luftwaffe at all in the historical events over Normandy (or the battles where far away from the front), but with out luftwaffe it would have been no fun to play thats why they added them (they told it in some Q&As and so on)
acur1231 Nov 6, 2017 @ 11:12pm 
The Luftwaffe was pretty much destroyed in the West in the days before Normandy. The presence of the entire Luftwaffe is because it would be unfair for the Germans if only the allies had planes.
meanderthal Nov 7, 2017 @ 6:10am 
you are quite correct, the Stuka suffered such a mauling during the early phase of the Battle of Britain they were removed from the western front.

Probably included in game as a balancing factor for fairer gameplay.

As already pointed out, the Luftwaffe was a poor shadow of its former self during the Normandy campaign with the allies outnumbering the Germans by at least 30:1 in combat aircraft.
acur1231 Nov 7, 2017 @ 10:53am 
Originally posted by meanderthal:
you are quite correct, the Stuka suffered such a mauling during the early phase of the Battle of Britain they were removed from the western front.

Probably included in game as a balancing factor for fairer gameplay.

As already pointed out, the Luftwaffe was a poor shadow of its former self during the Normandy campaign with the allies outnumbering the Germans by at least 30:1 in combat aircraft.

The dedication of the Luftwaffe crews was pretty amazing though. Right on the heels of the failed 1944 Blitz on the UK, the surviving crews(329 German bombers were downed, so the survivors would have been part of wings and squadrons that were reduced to hardly any planes or crews) climbed back into their bombers and went against the bridgehead at night, where the rest of them were devasted again by allied radar plotted automatic AA and lots of night fighters(mainly Mosquitoes). Sadly, the biggest raid they pulled off ended in farce when they accidentally bombed German lines. The remains of the Luftwaffes fighters also tried to engage the allied air forces, and while they were pretty much slaughtered by the much better trained and equipped allied pilots, they still tried anyway, despite the odds.
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[EUG] MadMat  [developer] Nov 7, 2017 @ 11:21am 
Actually, JU 87 were used in Normandy, but mostly at night and against fixed targets, not tanks/troops concentration as before.
Some variants were added for variety's sake (i.e. the 37mm Stuka), but the planes selected ingame all made an appearance one way or another on the Western front.
Originally posted by EUG MadMat:
Actually, JU 87 were used in Normandy, but mostly at night and against fixed targets, not tanks/troops concentration as before.
Some variants were added for variety's sake (i.e. the 37mm Stuka), but the planes selected ingame all made an appearance one way or another on the Western front.
Were Hs 129 B-3's (The ones with 75mm guns) present during the Normandy campaign or is that another variant thing like the JU-87 G?
meanderthal Nov 7, 2017 @ 12:04pm 
Originally posted by Kanmusu Marine Sexpert:
Originally posted by EUG MadMat:
Actually, JU 87 were used in Normandy, but mostly at night and against fixed targets, not tanks/troops concentration as before.
Some variants were added for variety's sake (i.e. the 37mm Stuka), but the planes selected ingame all made an appearance one way or another on the Western front.
Were Hs 129 B-3's (The ones with 75mm guns) present during the Normandy campaign or is that another variant thing like the JU-87 G?



To the best of my knowledge i do not believe the B-3 was used in Normandy.
It would have been useless at night attacks since you can't aim the 75mm Gun and due to its poor maneuverability and underpowered engines it would have been a sitting duck in daytime.

But it does make an interesting addition in game.
[EUG] MadMat  [developer] Nov 7, 2017 @ 12:30pm 
As I said, not all variants of a same aircraft model were used in Normandy.
I do believe the "cannon birds" were only used in the East, but their parent model were used in the West.
acur1231 Nov 7, 2017 @ 1:28pm 
Originally posted by EUG MadMat:
As I said, not all variants of a same aircraft model were used in Normandy.
I do believe the "cannon birds" were only used in the East, but their parent model were used in the West.

A squadron was in Normandy, but it was destroyed on the ground in the lead up to Overlord.
Jima Nov 7, 2017 @ 2:39pm 
"...the Junkers Ju 87 participated in small offensives during the Battle of Normandy in the summer of 1944."

http://www.dday-overlord.com/en/material/aviation/junkers-87-stuka

Battle of Carentan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Carentan

Purple Heart Lane, 10 June - "...an attack at 23:30 by two low-flying German Ju 87 Stukas strafing the causeway killed 30 men[1] and knocked I Company completely out of the battle. "

Probably more with a little searching.

Kyso4ek Nov 7, 2017 @ 2:41pm 
Thats false they were not used on the Eastern front from autumn 1943 on. FW190 were used instead
[EUG] MadMat  [developer] Nov 8, 2017 @ 1:52am 
Originally posted by Max Damage:
Thats false they were not used on the Eastern
Which ones do you mean? "Cannon birds" or just JU 87?
meanderthal Nov 8, 2017 @ 12:04pm 
Originally posted by Max Damage:
Thats false they were not used on the Eastern front from autumn 1943 on. FW190 were used instead



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FD7MvO7fww
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