What did you do with the 17 pounder gun ?

[Black_Cat]

I don't understand why the 17 Pounder gun Has WORSE penetration than the Panther , if the reality of 2 world 17 Pound shot Even better than the Panthers , so what the hell !? + Where piercing projectiles APDS from the British ? they ,like , mass used , at least in e everywhere , and where the ♥♥♥♥ are explosive munitions , where did they go ?!
It is possible to correct a misunderstanding , I nearly choked on tea !

[Mitchverr]

17 pounder apds was very rare for NWE within timeframe, so isnt there.

6 pounder APDS however was fairly common.

[Black_Cat]

And what happened to the explosive ammo + what the hell is the break of the 17 pound gun is worse than the gun of a Panther !
sorry for the mistakes, I badly know English

[boombasticks]

to pound someone

[The man who reversed China]

There weren't any 17p APDS in Normandy, they appear in 1945.

[Kadrush]

17pdr with command inf/veh nearby works wonders, scares any push.

[acur1231]

The 17 pounder should get a slight AP buff though, maybe 2-3 AP? It was as powerful as the 88 and long 75, and could penetrate a tiger at 1000 metres.

[Black_Cat]

Well , from the point of view of history - YES

[acur1231]

Yeah, it is historical and would help the fireflies, challengers and 17 pounder AT gun kill the Panther charges and such.

[Fenris]

APDS was not able to hit a barn past 300 m, so it would still be useless against heavy german tanks, because the just one shot you from 1 km away^^

[Wilh]

Well i can agree that the 17 Pounder is underperforming slightly with the standard ammunition, it does have about the same penetration data as the KwK42 75mm, it is no where close to the KwK43 88mm though and APDS ammunition was notoriously inaccurate, if i am not mistaken you couldn't really hit a target reliable past 300-400m, there were also other issues with the ammunition such as extra wear and tear on the barrel and leftovers from the shot reducing the accuracy for standard ammunition such as apcbc if directly fired afterwards.

[MrCrisps]

If you compare the pen values of the 17pdr APCBC and the KwK42 PzGr39, you'll see that the last one is better overall. Not by far, I know.

17pdr APCBC Shot Mk8

100m 168mm
500m 156mm
1000m 143mm

KwK42 APCBC PzGr39/42

100m 185mm
500m 168mm
1000m 149mm

[Napolavion]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ZenFix:

I don't understand why the 17 Pounder gun Has WORSE penetration than the Panther , if the reality of 2 world 17 Pound shot Even better than the Panthers , so what the hell !? + Where piercing projectiles APDS from the British ? they ,like , mass used , at least in e everywhere , and where the ♥♥♥♥ are explosive munitions , where did they go ?!
It is possible to correct a misunderstanding , I nearly choked on tea !

The panther's gun is better than the 17 pounder though this last one is enough to destroy nearly every german tank.

AP shells the britsh got a lot yes but APDS ? I don't think so... maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like a post war shell.

HE shells I know that the british had a painfull lack of HE shells in Africa but I don't know if it was the case in 44'

[Kadrush]

thats an interesting point, fi you force an AT gun or mortar to surrender you should be able to crew it with part of your inf team, for reduced stats, of course.

[acur1231]

The 17 pounder without the APDS could penetrate more than the 75m and 88mm AA gun, but nothing penetrates more than the massive 88 in the King Tiger. Stil, it should be stronger than the 75 at least, and about the same as the 88.

[Payador Perseguido]

AT gun penetration values: http://imgur.com/DzNfrw9


So yeah, no. The 17 pounder with its normal ammo was better than the panther gun. Slightly so.

And no, APDS is not a post war shell. It was introduced in August 1944 and from then on every firefly had its own batch of apds shells.